Return of Jesus and alien invasions!

CrystalDragon said:

Not to mention "Lucifer" is just a translation of "Morning Star", and Jesus even called himself the Morning Star at one point.

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The KING JAMES Bible identify Lucifer as SON OF THE MORNING....not The MORNING STAR.

Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The sumerians 6000bc told of heaven being a planet. Ancient travellers came from the sky, almost every ancient culture has flying pre beings. That planet 'heaven' is the dwarf star nibiru. There was some dimensional chit chat but i forget. Being a star it may interfere with our star, ie magnetic fields etc. Nibiru enters our solar system once every 3600 years in a retrograde orbit. Meaning its lost in deep space most of the time.

The last entry of nibiru was at the time of the biblical great flood. Anyway the star travellers aka angels were gigantic on size and they stayed on earth permantly. They started having sex with monkeys and manipulating the childrens blood.

To cut to the chase, the ancient giants are also spoken to by most cultures as real, however they were few in number and went extinct. They were the original kings and gods and imparted much knowledge to their own bastard mutant children...the humans. Only one race did they admire, the jews. The jews had more giant dna than monkey dna and remained relatively pure and knowledgable. They were given privellages. Jesus comes from those of pure blood...aka space giants from nibiru. Noah was saved by the giants due to the likeable factor, the plan was to let all humans die. That was the second commanders plan and he would fight his brother the chief commander for the rest of their earth time. Yes god and satan were described in the ancient texts as blood brothers. Jesus fits into the story fairly easily. If i speculate then new Jerusalem will probably be a part of nibiru. This is out in the world 1970s notebly stichins book, the ancient tablets were translated. But by memory jesus was a direct descendant of anu (chief space giant) and was sacrificed hundreds of years before he was even born. The jesus was known also in advance to the jewish kings his coming, but unfortunately they thought him to be 'underwhelming' and got rid of him. There were many many messiahs so he had stiff competition. Anyway to this very day that jewish line of noah david jesus albeit not for jesus, have a link into every royal family in the world.

Thats a story with no green aliens or weirdness really, all really possible without to much speilberging.

Jesus is dead now, even if he did show up after the cross here and there. I think nibiru is due within decades, if its true they probably only want those with davidic blood. Thats about 5 million. The paths only remain for hours the orbit paths and then we may never see them again. 3600 years for a space docking with earth will be completed next time. How else will they transport the very reason for the trip itself...gold. Gold has more value than wealth and other uses too.

But this is decades old anthropology now just old history theory. Much more parts that fit in but the op reference to jesus and aliens relations are not relative due to his death and life fullfilled as it was destined to be. All theoretical anyway so dont race to the church, the jews forgive you

Niall 9 Hostages said:

The sumerians 6000bc told of heaven being a planet. Ancient travellers came from the sky, almost every ancient culture has flying pre beings. That planet 'heaven' is the dwarf star nibiru. There was some dimensional chit chat but i forget. Being a star it may interfere with our star, ie magnetic fields etc. Nibiru enters our solar system once every 3600 years in a retrograde orbit. Meaning its lost in deep space most of the time.

The last entry of nibiru was at the time of the biblical great flood. Anyway the star travellers aka angels were gigantic on size and they stayed on earth permantly. They started having sex with monkeys and manipulating the childrens blood.

To cut to the chase, the ancient giants are also spoken to by most cultures as real, however they were few in number and went extinct. They were the original kings and gods and imparted much knowledge to their own bastard mutant children...the humans. Only one race did they admire, the jews. The jews had more giant dna than monkey dna and remained relatively pure and knowledgable. They were given privellages. Jesus comes from those of pure blood...aka space giants from nibiru. Noah was saved by the giants due to the likeable factor, the plan was to let all humans die. That was the second commanders plan and he would fight his brother the chief commander for the rest of their earth time. Yes god and satan were described in the ancient texts as blood brothers. Jesus fits into the story fairly easily. If i speculate then new Jerusalem will probably be a part of nibiru. This is out in the world 1970s notebly stichins book, the ancient tablets were translated. But by memory jesus was a direct descendant of anu (chief space giant) and was sacrificed hundreds of years before he was even born. The jesus was known also in advance to the jewish kings his coming, but unfortunately they thought him to be 'underwhelming' and got rid of him. There were many many messiahs so he had stiff competition. Anyway to this very day that jewish line of noah david jesus albeit not for jesus, have a link into every royal family in the world.

Thats a story with no green aliens or weirdness really, all really possible without to much speilberging.

Jesus is dead now, even if he did show up after the cross here and there. I think nibiru is due within decades, if its true they probably only want those with davidic blood. Thats about 5 million. The paths only remain for hours the orbit paths and then we may never see them again. 3600 years for a space docking with earth will be completed next time. How else will they transport the very reason for the trip itself...gold. Gold has more value than wealth and other uses too.

But this is decades old anthropology now just old history theory. Much more parts that fit in but the op reference to jesus and aliens relations are not relative due to his death and life fullfilled as it was destined to be. All theoretical anyway so dont race to the church, the jews forgive you

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John 3
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Riberra said:

The KING JAMES Bible identify Lucifer as SON OF THE MORNING....not The MORNING STAR.

Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

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You misunderstood what I meant—in some translations, "Lucifer" is not translated as "Lucifer", but instead "Morning Star", so it reads "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Morning Star, son of the morning!"

CrystalDragon said:

You misunderstood what I meant—in some translations, "Lucifer" is not translated as "Lucifer", but instead "Morning Star", so it reads "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Morning Star, son of the morning!"

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Which is the demonstration that mostly all the new translations like the NIV and NKJV try willingly to confuse the readers...

Here an interesting article:
https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm

Always keep in mind the verse used in the OLD KJV 1611 was :
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!

Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Here another interesting article the number 666 inside the logo on the cover or the back of the cover of some NKJV and NIV bibles

http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html




The three esoteric "6"'s separated.
Plainly displaying the interlocked "666".

Riberra said:

Which is the demonstration that mostly all the new translations like the NIV and NKJV try willingly to confuse the readers...

Here an interesting article:
https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivsatan.htm

Always keep in mind the verse used in the OLD KJV 1611 was :
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!

Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Here another interesting article the number 666 inside the logo on the cover or on the back cover of some NKJV and NIV bibles

http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html




The three esoteric "6"'s separated.
Plainly displaying the interlocked "666".

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I've heard that the Catholic Church does not consider the KJV to be the best translation, and in any case, while "son of the morning" still stands in every translation (though some say "son of the dawn", "Lucifer" and "Morning Star" basically mean the same thing in that instance, since Lucifer means "light-beater". The word "Lucifer" was only used in that one verse, and if you actually read the passage fully, as I said, it talks about a Babylonian King. The reason both the Babylonian King in the proverb and Jesus were both called the Morning Star is seeing as Jesus was the Son of God, the king of Babylon operated under the illusion that he himself could be as great as God (or on a heavenly level), but he would eventually fall like the human that he actually was.

As for the 666 thing, that's really stretching it. The three interlocking things you point out look less like three sixes and more like three depictions of the fish that represents Jesus but minus one back fin. Isn't that symbol supposed to represent the Trinity? And not to mention 666 is described in Revelation (which is full of symbolism might I add) is "the number of a man", not the devil's number as popular culture dictates. Numerological speaking and given the near-future vision implication of Revelation, some say it refers to Nero, and some say the proper translation is actually meant to be 616, not 666.

Endtime Survivors said:

Hi Niall. The idea is that the return of Jesus will appear (or be interpreted) as an alien invasion by those who are not looking for his return.

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I don't think anyone will mistake HIS RETURN that way,
yet
What about TODAY ?
As I was reading your post just now,
YHWH brought to my remembrance
someone said "you[only the born again ecclesia] are no longer strangers and aliens...."
and (vague in me memory ) we [ecclesia born again] ARE aliens on earth.....

CrystalDragon said:

I've heard that the Catholic Church does not consider the KJV to be the best translation, and in any case, while "son of the morning" still stands in every translation (though some say "son of the dawn", "Lucifer" and "Morning Star" basically mean the same thing in that instance, since Lucifer means "light-beater". The word "Lucifer" was only used in that one verse, and if you actually read the passage fully, as I said, it talks about a Babylonian King.

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The Babylonian King was in reality Lucifer/Satan in Human form ...
It is very unlikely that -a human - have fallen from heaven !
Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Another verse proving that Lucifer/Satan have personified another King in ancient time (the King of Tyrus)
Ezekiel 28:14 Context

11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

CrystalDragon said:

As for the 666 thing, that's really stretching it. The three interlocking things you point out look less like three sixes and more like three depictions of the fish that represents Jesus but minus one back fin. Isn't that symbol supposed to represent the Trinity?

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If you had taken the time to read the whole article you will know that the logo symbol on the cover of the NKJV is also used on the cover of WITCHCRAFT's book....or on the cover of some satanic music album.

Full demonstration here:
http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html

Endtime Survivors said:

Yup, we are strangers and aliens on the earth, but moreso in a spiritual sense (i.e. we are alienated from the values of this world).

But the Revelation describes events which sound pretty similar to what we commonly think of as "alien invasion" today. A huge city coming down out of the sky. Natural disasters. People performing signs and wonders. I think it will be very easy for a good many people to interpret the return of Jesus as an alien invasion; it will certainly be easier for them than accepting they'd been fighting against God that whole time.

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I think rather , it is written, they will look upon HIM and realize it is HIM WHO was PIERCED FOR THEIR SINS and they will be filled with great sorrow and devastating grief and remorse for their lives (their whole lives with nothing good to offer the KING OF THE UNIVERSE, KING OF THE JEWS)

As also we ecclesia will be out looking up with eyes WIDE OPEN EAGER AND OVERJOYED AT HIS RETURN and arms raised in PRAISE AND WORSHIP CRYING "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME ADONAI ! "

and the others who did not repent will be cringing in fear and humiliation and shame trying to hide under the very rocks to get away from HIS PRESENCE..
oh , yes,
everyone will know WHO HE IS, CERTAINLY.

the out space mumbo jumbo has been introduced by the enemy of CHRIST for the last century or more,
on purpose,
to deceive everyone possible, even the elect if possible,
and it will be used much more in the near future
before Y'SHUA MESSIAH RETURNS.

People won't cringe at the fake messiah - they will welcome him with open arms and high praises of men,
as the enemy eats it up and has set them all up to do this via the many false teachers and false prophets of the last 1000 years give or take 1000 years. Yes, this has been prepared for many generations of deception.

Endtime Survivors said:

Yup, we are strangers and aliens on the earth, but moreso in a spiritual sense (i.e. we are alienated from the values of this world).

But the Revelation describes events which sound pretty similar to what we commonly think of as "alien invasion" today. A huge city coming down out of the sky. Natural disasters. People performing signs and wonders. I think it will be very easy for a good many people to interpret the return of Jesus as an alien invasion; it will certainly be easier for them than accepting they'd been fighting against God that whole time.

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Revelation largely seems symbolic. Given that and the message being taken to leaders of the tribes, isn't it possible it could be actually a symbolic representation of events going on at the time?

CrystalDragon said:

Revelation largely seems symbolic. Given that and the message being taken to leaders of the tribes, isn't it possible it could be actually a symbolic representation of events going on at the time?

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No.
There's complete evidence available (elsewhere, not for here)
that shows clearly not.
There's also a lot of evidence that a lot of heresy was developed to discredit SCRIPTURE.
So most people never find out the TRUTH.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

No.
There's complete evidence available (elsewhere, not for here)
that shows clearly not.
There's also a lot of evidence that a lot of heresy was developed to discredit SCRIPTURE.
So most people never find out the TRUTH.

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Do you have any potential website links? Given that it describes creatures (including the Beast who's supposed to be a man), with imagery such as multiple horns and heads and crowns, it seems like things in Revelation are more imagery than a direct vision (anyone would much more likely run away from a creature with 7 heads and ten horns rather than elect it as a leader, and would never mistake it for a man)

Endtime Survivors said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "events at the time". Do you mean that the Revelation could be symbolic of what was happening at the time John wrote the Revelation?

I think it would be strange for anyone to say that the Revelation does not include heaps of symbolism. Pretty much all prophecy does. Jesus regularly used symbolism in the form of parables, which he seemed to suggest he did deliberately to actually hide the truth from some people.

The real question is what the symbolism is meant to communicate. For example, there is the Lamb and Beast. Ordinarily a lamb would be prey for a Beast, but instead, in both the gospels and the Revelation, the symbolism of Lamb and Beast shows the contrariness of a humble, meek lamb which over comes the roaring, raging Beast. It is just as unexpected as the idea of winning through losing. Jesus died on the cross. In physical, material, worldly terms, he lost. But in spiritual terms, he won. The symbolism of the lamb and beast plays out in real life via the sacrificial death of Jesus.

It can work the opposite way, too. The mark of the Beast will be a literal, physical thing. The prophecy suggests that it will be used to exploit our greed and fear, by limiting commerce to those who take the Mark and forbidding those who do not. While the Mark will manifest physically, the choice to take the Mark or not is symbolic of loyalty. Those who take the Mark will be spiritually marked as loyal to the beast, regardless of whatever rationale they may have for taking the Mark.

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What I meant by "at the time" was that Revelation was meant to be a message of hope for the people at the time John wrote Revelation, a symbolic representation of the future but not the far 2000+/- year future.

In Revelation, it talks about numbers of the tribes of Israel being sealed, with specific tribes mentioned by name in verses 7-8. These tribes no longer exist today like they did in John's day. Plus, as evidenced by a number of Scriptures, they all thought Jesus was coming any day now, of course John would refer to them. Not to mention at the beginning of Revelation:

Rev 1:11 (NIV) ... “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicean.”

So it was clearly supposed to be referring to the churches at the time, or that wouldn't have been said. Not a group far into the future. It seems when a lot of people refer to Revelation they talk about the Four Horsemen, the Beast, etc., while either not knowing about or ignoring these verses.

Not to mention that Nero's name, when calculated numerically from what I've heard, depending on the system used is either 666 or 616, both of which have been assumed to have been translations of the "number of the Beast" which is "the number of a man". And I seem to recall hearing that Nero forced some to bear a mark so they couldn't buy or sell anything, though I'm not going to swear that particular point as true because I don't remember my source on that.

Revelation is very much for TODAY, 2000 years since it was written. Ezekiel , Genesis, Matthew also: all very much and very important TODAY.
The TRIBES are all well known with no mistake nor error.
The enemy of CHRIST tried for over 2000 years to obliterate them, and is still trying, and did not and will not succeed as the battle is YHWH'S, and HE HAS WON; YHWH has defeated the enemy.

The enemy of CHRIST tried thru religion to obliterate the meaning of REVELATION also, all through the last 2000 years.
(not just REVELATION, but all of SCRIPTURE).
It is worse and harder and more deceptive on earth TODAY than ever before in history, and will be worse tomorrow and every day until Y'SHUA RETURNS.

CrystalDragon said:

Do you have any potential website links? Given that it describes creatures (including the Beast who's supposed to be a man), with imagery such as multiple horns and heads and crowns, it seems like things in Revelation are more imagery than a direct vision (anyone would much more likely run away from a creature with 7 heads and ten horns rather than elect it as a leader, and would never mistake it for a man)

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After the planned third world war WW3 a new worldwide government system of 10 regional grouping leaded by 10 rulers (''kings'') will be put in place... which ultimately will be ruled by the AC/Beast.

https://nuclearsuntan.blogspot.ca/

Listen now to God's prophecy concerning the secret plans which these 10 rulers devise to seize control of the world and then hand this control over to Antichrist [the Beast]. Notice that these 10 rulers are secretly working with Antichrist even before he becomes public:

"The 10 horns that you observed are 10 rulers... who are to receive power and authority for a single hour, along with the beast. These have one common policy (purpose), and they deliver their power to the beast... God has put it into their hearts to carry out His own purpose by acting in harmony in surrendering their royal power and authority to the beast until the prophetic words of God shall be fulfilled." [Revelation 17:12-13, 17]

A careful reading of this passage makes it very clear that the 10 rulers devise a plan prior to the appearance of Antichrist, and that they plan to turn their political power over to Antichrist as soon as he arises. This scenario is very consistent with Daniel's revelations about the 10 toes and 10 rulers in chapters 2 and 7, respectively.


Revelation 13:1
1 “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”

This is our first beast, God does not deal in fantasy so we must understand what has been described is strictly symbolic. This Beast is a Governmental Beast, the future One World Government. The waters of Revelation are the people of the world. The seven heads are symbolic of seven dominions or kingdoms which compass the entire earth. Horns are symbolic of power and the crowns are symbolic of kings which will lead this Governmental Beast (Revelation 17).

(Deeper Study: Daniel 7 documents this beast and gives us more insight into it)

Revelation 13:2
2 “And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.“

We have been given a further description of this Beast… Who gives this Governmental Beast his power? The Dragon. Who is the Dragon? Please turn your bibles to,

Revelation 12:9
9 “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.“

God’s Word has just documented, the Dragon is in fact Satan, (he has many names) he is also the second Beast and the one who gives power to the Governmental Beast of verse one. Satan is cast from heaven to earth and his fallen angels are cast out with him. He is not a human being or a red grotesque Beast with horns and a pitch fork. If you have that picture in your mind you have already been deceived. Satan is perfect in beauty (Ezekiel 28), he has a spirit but is not a spirit, he has a body but not a flesh body, he is an Angel. Satan does not come to make war, rather he comes in peaceably and prosperously, he comes looking like Christ, acting like Christ and claiming to be Christ (Daniel 11:21).

Revelation 13:11
11 “And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.“

This is the second Beast of Revelation. We all know who the real Lamb is. Jesus Christ of course (John 1:29). So what we have here is a fake lamb, an imposter, the spurious messiah, the Anti-Christ (“anti” simply means, “instead”, “instead of Christ”), the Dragon, Satan himself! Who claims to be Jesus Christ, the very Lamb of God. This fake lamb spake as a Dragon because he is the Dragon, he has two horns of power, his power and the power of the One World Governmental System. Do not let this be a mystery to you. The WHOLE WORLD will be deceived. God’s children have not been taught the false messiah comes first, they have not been taught the Beasts of Revelation are Satan and his One World Governmental System.

More:
http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2013/05/mark-of-beast-revealed.html

Albert Pike and the Three World Wars
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm