Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud

[tulc]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.

In a letter to Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who are both Republicans and led the commission, Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap said the documents show there was a “pre-ordained outcome” and that drafts of a commission report included a section on evidence of voter fraud that was “glaringly empty.”

“It’s calling into the darkness, looking for voter fraud,” Dunlap, a Democrat, told The Associated Press. “There’s no real evidence of it anywhere.”

tulc(is shocked!)

 

[Jamsie]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

tulc(is shocked!)

It doesn't matter, the trump supporters know that the "deep state" covered their tracks, the fake news like CNN were part of the cover-up, trump said that there were millions of illegal votes so it must be true... he may make rhetorical "flubs" but he never lies, … and Dunlap is a democrat therefore he is the one lying.

 

[Albion]

That commission stopped its work a long time ago. It was in the news again only because a court ordered it to disclose documents from that investigation, but they are not new.

And the reason that the commission came to nothing was not because there is no voter fraud, but because so many Democrat elections officials refused to cooperate with the commissioners and disclose the necessary information that was to be studied that the work of the commission was made impossible.

 

[Jamsie]

That commission stopped its work a long time ago. It was in the news again only because a court ordered it to disclose documents from that investigation, but they are not new.

And the reason that the commission came to nothing was not because there is no voter fraud, but because so many Democrat elections officials refused to cooperate with the commissioners and disclose the necessary information that was to be studied that the work of the commission was made impossible.

The simple fact is that the commission was a joke, with the intent only to pacify trump's ego. He lost the popular vote, there were no millions of illegal votes, just a dent in the narcissist in chief's ego. Look up kobach's claim in Kansas regarding tens of thousands of illegal votes...he turned up 9 out of 1,788,673 registered voters, very impressive. Further it was also Republican Atty. Generals who thought this was foolishness.

Voter fraud investigations on federal and state levels have never exposed anything even close to widespread voter fraud. That trump worshippers will go through all sorts of mental contortions to excuse his countless lies, such as this one on voter fraud, speaks more to the poverty of his supporters with regard to morals and common sense.

 

[Albion]

The simple fact is that the commission was a joke, with the intent only to pacify trump's ego. He lost the popular vote, there were no millions of illegal votes, just a dent in the narcissist in chief's ego. Look up kobach's claim in Kansas regarding tens of thousands of illegal votes...he turned up 9 out of 1,788,673 registered voters, very impressive..

Maybe it just depends on where you are allowed to look. Hundreds of illegal votes were discovered in only a single Detroit precinct during a recount there.

 

[Jamsie]

Maybe it just depends on where you are allowed to look. Hundreds of illegal votes were discovered in only a single Detroit precinct during a recount there.

Maybe it depends on where one gets there news and if they are in any way interested in the truth....https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/

https://www.wxyz.com/news/state-audit-no-evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-detroit

 

[Albion]

That's probably true.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...cords-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Voter ID laws are common sense.

 

[Jamsie]

That's probably true.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...cords-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

Yes, not widespread voter fraud but operational problems.

 

[Jamsie]

Voter ID laws are common sense.

Yes, even though there has never been evidence of widespread voter fraud we should correct a system that isn't broken by such.

 

[Albion]

Yes, not widespread voter fraud but operational problems.

Oh, is that what you want to call it?

When 30 people cast over 300 ballots, and there is nothing wrong with the voting machinery...or when every last voter in precinct after precinct in another of our large cities cast 100% of the votes for the same political party...or when it was acknowledged that an election in Minnesota was actually changed because of non-citizens voting...

There is vote fraud...

and all of this is about only a few precincts which have been spotlighted, so you cannot say that there is not widespread voter fraud. Not without getting to look at the "widespread" in order to find out.

In the Detroit situation, the precinct workers naturally claimed not to know what had happened, so no action could be taken against them, even though no one believes them.

 

[Jamsie]

Oh, is that what you want to call it?

Interesting that the State Republican administration disagrees with your unsubstantiated claims:

*The bureau “found no evidence of pervasive voter fraud,” according to the 24-page audit.

Although the majority, or 71, of the 136 precincts could not be balanced, “the magnitude of the discrepancies between the total number of voters recorded in the poll book and number of ballots tabulated was reduced significantly” as a result of the audit.

More than half of 136 Detroit precincts examined had nearly 600 questionable votes, a total that was reduced to 216 questionable votes after extensive review. There were 128 more ballots cast than recorded voters, and 88 fewer ballots cast than voters, producing a net overvote of 40 ballots.*

http://www.michiganradio.org/post/state-officials-no-fraud-mi-elections

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...it-finds-questionable-votes-detroit/97696820/

Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so, and just because you want to defend trump at every wrong turn doesn't make it so either.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Yes, even though there has never been evidence of widespread voter fraud we should correct a system that isn't broken by such.

LOL It’s adorable that people think like this.

 

[Albion]

Interesting that the State Republican administration disagrees with your unsubstantiated claims....

That isn't so. It merely said that "PERVASIVE" voter fraud could not be established on the basis of the limited investigation that was done (and how could it?); but you believe what you want to believe.

 

[Jamsie]

LOL It’s adorable that people think like this.

Well, why don't you demonstrate that widespread voter fraud exists even though both republicans and democrats not only disagree but have proven it through many investigations to be false. That would be "adorable" if you could!

 

[Jamsie]

That isn't so. It merely said that "PERVASIVE" voter fraud could not be established on the basis of the limited investigation that was done (and how could it?); but you believe what you want to believe.

"The bureau “found no evidence of pervasive voter fraud,” according to the 24-page audit."

Well, if it couldn't be established...then you believe what you want to believe based on no evidence, perhaps a person of reason would justly conclude as to what "no evidence" means. Then again a trump worshipper chooses to go "chasing after the wind". Why not take a broader view and demonstrate the pervasive voter fraud at federal and by states. There exist many investigations by states, and a plethora of independent studies for resources. Also, you do realize that nobody is denying voter fraud, although in many cases it is due to human error, but only that the percent is so miniscule...as it would have been in Detroit. What percent is 31 of 2,800,000 or even 10, 20, 30 times that 31?

No comment on kobach, and his investigations of tens of thousands of illegal votes in Kansas?

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Yes, even though there has never been evidence of widespread voter fraud we should correct a system that isn't broken by such.

It helps deflect the attention from the Russian interference in the election. The fact based fraud affecting voters that Trump desperately wants the people to ignore so he can have more help getting re-elected.

 

[Albion]

It's rather an attempt on the part of the Democrats to deflect from the vote fraud that they have been promoting for years and which has only recently become an issue. Of course they would like to bury that issue by whatever means possible.

 

[Jamsie]

It's rather an attempt on the part of the Democrats to deflect from the vote fraud that they have been promoting for years and which has only recently become an issue. Of course they would like to bury that issue by whatever means possible.

Bald assertions are of little value except of course for trump supporters to grasp at straws. Waiting on your comments on kobach in Kansas, and for you to detail the nationwide pervasive voter fraud based on the many investigations?

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

It's rather an attempt on the part of the Democrats to deflect from the vote fraud that they have been promoting for years and which has only recently become an issue. Of course they would like to bury that issue by whatever means possible.

The difference is I have the facts on my side the entire USA security network supports me. You have nothing but many conspiracy theory told to you by Trump and Hannity.