originally posted by Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win
He did not.
He did not.
I agree if orthodox means what we have as the Catholic church. The true definition of chruch are those who belong to the Lord (Jehova). We are free from traditions and cultural bounds. We are only bound by obedience to Christ. This is guided by the Holy Spirit, and can only come through practicing faith in His works and teachings. God does not have such parameters as culture and teaditions concerning our fellowship with Him.
False. They were instructed by the Holy Spirit on how to manage things. For example, look in the book of Timothy, if I correctly remember. It lays down the organizatin of the church. Many people have added all kinds of things to the establishment in the name of God or self.
No doubt, they did not know every entire detail of the church, but they had the foundation from God. The traditions that have been associated with it are not all authentic. Traditions, for the most part, are just that - traditions. But when they go against the scriptures, they are to be prohibited from being practiced. This was not always the case, and still is not the case. These traditions and customs have rendered the Word of God void in many ways. People think that they are serving God when they are only serving traditions and customs in the name of serving God.
While true, each person must still listen to the that voice and commit to following it. It is no simple task to be continually listening to God's spirit speaking. It is too easy to wander off and subject God to our own ways. The nature of man is sinful and predicates on self preservation - the self-centered, ungodly centered will.
Absoultely true!! That is the problem for many Christians, whether ignorant of the scriptures or not. Traditions are, for the most part, stumbling blocks to a Christians relationship to God. The Holy Spirit can only come to one who has decided to act upon the promises of God. That means claiming the promises put forth in scripture as his own and fully believing that Christ will be true to His teachings.
Be careful here! It is not a wise thing to pick and choose traditions to follow. You must and should test these traditions against what scripture says. If I could call it a tradition, I would say that the safest tradition to follow is the path of faith and obedience to God through the Bible only. In that way, a lot of the garbage is removed from the equation. As in my example, I always have to point back to Abraham - one of the fathers of faith, im many ways - but nowhere close to Christ in faith. Christ had the ultimate faith. He lacked nothing; for He was God.
Where-in did Jesus teach the only Church is the Orthodox church?
He did not.
Where-in did Jesus teach one has to follow certain traditions and customs to worship Him?
He did not.
He preached His apostles to spread His message and not to create an Orthodox church.
I agree if orthodox means what we have as the Catholic church. The true definition of chruch are those who belong to the Lord (Jehova). We are free from traditions and cultural bounds. We are only bound by obedience to Christ. This is guided by the Holy Spirit, and can only come through practicing faith in His works and teachings. God does not have such parameters as culture and teaditions concerning our fellowship with Him.
His apostles and their disciples formed a church according to the ways of man.
False. They were instructed by the Holy Spirit on how to manage things. For example, look in the book of Timothy, if I correctly remember. It lays down the organizatin of the church. Many people have added all kinds of things to the establishment in the name of God or self.
No doubt, they did not know every entire detail of the church, but they had the foundation from God. The traditions that have been associated with it are not all authentic. Traditions, for the most part, are just that - traditions. But when they go against the scriptures, they are to be prohibited from being practiced. This was not always the case, and still is not the case. These traditions and customs have rendered the Word of God void in many ways. People think that they are serving God when they are only serving traditions and customs in the name of serving God.
The Holy Spirit is assured for each and everyone who accepts Christ.
While true, each person must still listen to the that voice and commit to following it. It is no simple task to be continually listening to God's spirit speaking. It is too easy to wander off and subject God to our own ways. The nature of man is sinful and predicates on self preservation - the self-centered, ungodly centered will.
I don't have to follow man-made traditions to get the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Absoultely true!! That is the problem for many Christians, whether ignorant of the scriptures or not. Traditions are, for the most part, stumbling blocks to a Christians relationship to God. The Holy Spirit can only come to one who has decided to act upon the promises of God. That means claiming the promises put forth in scripture as his own and fully believing that Christ will be true to His teachings.
If I choose to follow a certain tradition, it is of my own will because no man-made tradition is right, only Christ matters.
Be careful here! It is not a wise thing to pick and choose traditions to follow. You must and should test these traditions against what scripture says. If I could call it a tradition, I would say that the safest tradition to follow is the path of faith and obedience to God through the Bible only. In that way, a lot of the garbage is removed from the equation. As in my example, I always have to point back to Abraham - one of the fathers of faith, im many ways - but nowhere close to Christ in faith. Christ had the ultimate faith. He lacked nothing; for He was God.
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