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Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:
I was referring to the Roman Catholic Church. You may or may not accept it as a Christian Church but the fact remains that the Roman Catholic Church has employed many terror tactics against unbelievers.

I'm not passing any anti-christian remarks here. I am trying to turn people away from the LAW and towards Christ.

You accepted the Catholic Church as normative and synonymous with 'the (Christian) Church' Your statement was flawed for that reason alone. It ignored that half of Europe that was Orthodox; note that the Roman Empire continued in the east until 1453

But then again, as I pointed out, you yourself recognised that when people did such things, they would not be Christian (in the sense that they weren't following His teachings). So, what was your point?
 
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veggie said:
Congratultions Montalban, you ruined a perfectly good thread. Why don't you take you hatred of Islam to another thread. This was supposed to be about religious tolerance, or do Christians not believe in that?

Is this how you respond to reasoned debate, with emotive insults?
 
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Montalban said:
You accepted the Catholic Church as normative and synonymous with 'the (Christian) Church' Your statement was flawed for that reason alone. It ignored that half of Europe that was Orthodox; note that the Roman Empire continued in the east until 1453

But then again, as I pointed out, you yourself recognised that when people did such things, they would not be Christian (in the sense that they weren't following His teachings). So, what was your point?

My point was people by their nature, while being intolerant of sin, cross their boundaries by committing sin on the sinners.

It is like walking a tight rope.
 
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veggie said:
Congratultions Montalban, you ruined a perfectly good thread. Why don't you take you hatred of Islam to another thread. This was supposed to be about religious tolerance, or do Christians not believe in that?
Yes veggie, I believe in religious tolerance and I follow Jesus.
Mont - I don't know what on earth you are talking about!
 
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Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:
My point was people by their nature, while being intolerant of sin, cross their boundaries by committing sin on the sinners.

It is like walking a tight rope.

This we agree on.

From the film "Zardoz"

"He who fights a dragon long enough, soon becomes a dragon himself"
- Zed (Sean Connery)

That is why we act with love. Veggie has called me a hater (which is personally insulting), as have others. I DO NOT HATE PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS. It is with love that I act. If you were in danger, and I saw it, and I said nothing, that would not be an act of love. So too, when people preach peace, but act violently, then they are obviously mistaken. Such needs to be pointed out.

Jesus showed us the way.* He never remained silent, but he acted with peace... as do I (I am after-all, here, not burning people)



*The Way, was one of the first names for the Christian faith.
 
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Bevlina said:
Yes veggie, I believe in religious tolerance and I follow Jesus.
Mont - I don't know what on earth you are talking about!

Did Jesus tolerate evil? No.

Are there evil ideaologies in the world. Yes.

Some would have us just mind our own backyards and ignore that injustice.


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My (User)name is NOT "Mont".
 
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Bevlina said:
And didn't Jesus tell us to love one another as He loved us? Come on Mont, you are being a bit heavy.

Heavy? I'm simply discussing this thread. Heavy would be strapping a bomb and walking into a west bank Jewish settlement. If a faith condones that sort of behaviour then they need to be criticised.

Less heavy, but heavy enough is referring to someone who is honest enough to say that they won't tolerate everything as being a 'hater'.

How did He love one another? He acted with love by telling people not to sin anymore.

Even in the rest of the New Testament, St. Paul doesn't say "Okay Galatians, go do your own thing; you're saved".
 
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Montlaban said people who act un-Christlike are not Christians.

Even though I have nothing personal against the Roman Catholic Church, I have to conclude by his statement that the Roman Catholic Church of the middle ages was not Christian atleast in their actions.

So, why can't people who act Christ-like and forgive others while being intolerant of sin(Gandhi, for example) be considered real Christians even though they don't openly say so?
 
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veggie said:
Will a moderator please delete this whole thread? I can't stand to see what I started out of love and compassion for all be torn apart by those who would rather hate than understand.

At least you didn't name names
 
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Montalban said:
Did Jesus tolerate evil? No.

Are there evil ideaologies in the world. Yes.

Some would have us just mind our own backyards and ignore that injustice.


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My (User)name is NOT "Mont".
Montalban, you tread a fine line. Christians on this forum treat one another in friendship, AND, I am used to the AUSTRALIAN Forum where we almost all know one another's PERSONAL name!
Yes, there are evil ideaologies in the world. And most of them show a lack of love and friendship.
 
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Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win said:
This thread is really interesting and going really well. I am learning a lot. Please don't delete this thread. I don't see any hate from Montlaban. I believe we both are having a very decent debate.
*SIGH* :doh:

This wasn't supposed to be a debate.... aren't there enough threads for that already???:(
 
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