Religious education needed, please.

[dlamberth]

In talking to me, you have to be logic.

Because God and living in the presence of God while exploring the mystery is not logic but more of a mystical sort of thing, you and I will be going round and around for ever with you never being satisfied with any answer I'm able to give. It's almost like God is being logic to death. I'm very sorry to have wasted your time.

 

[juvenissun]

The Hindu religions are the most interesting that I know, but I attribute the ideas to people.

My question would be: what great truths do you see in Christianity that are unlikely to have human origin?

Good question. We can talk about it somewhere else. There are many.

 

[juvenissun]

Because God and living in the presence of God while exploring the mystery is not logic but more of a mystical sort of thing,

God may be illogical. But our expression should be logical. Otherwise, no one would understand what you are saying.

 

[juvenissun]

No. The Buddhist roadmap is for the purpose of finding my perceived ultimate goal (which is not god).

Would your goal be better than my goal? If not, why would so many people in your avatar tried to listen to one who is preaching? Why should one change his perceived ultimate goal by listening to someone else's goal?

The answer must be: There IS a better goal. May I ask what is that?

 

[Tolworth John]

The discussion isn't about the difference between the two, but whether or not Christianity, just like any other religion, has requirements (see post #33). The answer there is still "yes".

So you are saying that Christians must do works to be saved.

 

[Robban]

So you are saying that Christians must do works to be saved.

You said yourself you have to apply for a visa.

Who issues the visas?

 

[Tolworth John]

You said yourself you have to apply for a visa.

Who issues the visas?

Put your comments in context.
The context of what you've quoted is a pearson who believes that the kingdom of God can be seen in every living thing and that there is a 'godlike' spark in everything. This person worships this god.

I have been trying to point out that God exists, that God has set the rules for living and for a relationship with him. That we don't invent our own religion and expect God to honour it.

In this context I used the illistration of travaling to an other country where a visa is needed to gain entry.

The implication being one doesn't make up ones own rules to gain a visa, but has to follw that countries rules.

In the sameway to be in a relationship with God one has to go via Jesus.

 

[Robban]

Put your comments in context.
The context of what you've quoted is a pearson who believes that the kingdom of God can be seen in every living thing and that there is a 'godlike' spark in everything. This person worships this god.

I have been trying to point out that God exists, that God has set the rules for living and for a relationship with him. That we don't invent our own religion and expect God to honour it.

In this context I used the illistration of travaling to an other country where a visa is needed to gain entry.

The implication being one doesn't make up ones own rules to gain a visa, but has to follw that countries rules.

In the sameway to be in a relationship with God one has to go via Jesus.

If you don,t see Him n everything, then it is a form of dualism.

Not a relationship.

 

[Tolworth John]

If you don,t see Him n everything, then it is a form of dualism.

Not a relationship.

No in worshipping a 'devine spark' in everything is panthesitic.

 

[Robban]

No in worshipping a 'devine spark' in everything is panthesitic.

It is not about worshipping, more about seeing.

Many ask, "Where is God?"

My answer would be, "Wherever you let Him in,"

 

[Tolworth John]

It is not about worshipping, more about seeing.

Many ask, "Where is God?"

My answer would be, "Wherever you let Him in,"

That is fine if one is dealing with God.

There is not just God in the supernatural spiritual world.

So I ask how do you know that you are dealing with God?
No where in Leviticus or Deuteronomy does it say invent an idea of God and follow your imagination as to how to worship.
Rather the way to God and the way of worshipping are strictly laid down.

 

[Robban]

That is fine if one is dealing with God.

There is not just God in the supernatural spiritual world.

So I ask how do you know that you are dealing with God?
No where in Leviticus or Deuteronomy does it say invent an idea of God and follow your imagination as to how to worship.
Rather the way to God and the way of worshipping are strictly laid down.

Please tell.

 

[Tolworth John]

Please tell.

I can't say how you, a member of Judaism, know whether you are dealing with God.
I can only tell you Christian know that they are dealing with God.

Christians test any message, dream, or thought against what the bible teaches.
So to say that there is a devine spark in everythingh is contrary to what the bible teaches and is false.

 

[Robban]

I can't say how you, a member of Judaism, know whether you are dealing with God.
I can only tell you Christian know that they are dealing with God.

Christians test any message, dream, or thought against what the bible teaches.
So to say that there is a devine spark in everythingh is contrary to what the bible teaches and is false.

Well, I did not mention Divine spark, don,t think so anyway,

That would maybe be going into mysticism,

You mentioned the Big Ten,

They were given on two tablets,

first five are between God and man,

second five are between man and man,

The first, He can always find within Himself to forgive,
taking into consideration that we are but dust.

The second five He has left up to us,

How do we tackle that?

Maybe invent someone who does for you?

Yeah, that,s a good idea,

 

[Tolworth John]

Well, I did not mention Divine spark, don,t think so anyway

You jumped into a discussion that involved this idea.

Maybe invent someone who does for you?

Now you are being silly.
If you can disproof the Claim that vJesus rose again, please present your evidence.

 

[Robban]

You jumped into a discussion that involved this idea.


Now you are being silly.
If you can disproof the Claim that vJesus rose again, please present your evidence.

Who said anything about ressurection?
I maybe silly but I,m not stupid.

You are the one claiming you don,t have to do anything while at the same time
you are saying you have to stick to the rules.

So how do you keep your rules?

 

[dlamberth]

So to say that there is a devine spark in everythingh is contrary to what the bible teaches and is false.

To be honest, this is one of the prime reasons why I de-converted, Christians have a way of limiting God, and I didn't know how to do that.

 

[dlamberth]

No in worshipping a 'devine spark' in everything is panthesitic.

Actually, it's Panenthestic. And it's not worshiping the Divine Spark. That would be incorrect. Seeing God through the Divine Spark would be closer to the point.

 

[dlamberth]

In the sameway to be in a relationship with God one has to go via Jesus.

That analogy may be true in this physical world. But the spiritual world plays by a different set of rules, one where Love is gateway. We can see that truth by how alive and vibrant God is with in others of the various spiritual traditions around the world and who enjoy the same blessings as Christians experience. Because as we look around we can see the truth of that, there has to be something else going on thats bigger than the One True Way that your saying it is.

 

[Rajni]

So you are saying that Christians must do works to be saved.

I'm saying that Christianity has requirements. Try telling a Christian that God will ultimately save everyone and watch those requirements start rolling in.