Refuting OSAS in jesus name

[lori milne]

Whenever someone claims that they're denomination is the only way to Christ, it makes it sound more like a cult.

Sounds familiar lol

 

[FreeGrace2]

No God knows a mans heart is confusing to OSAS

Please read your own sentence here out loud to see whether it makes any sense or not. It does not to me. In fact, it isn't even a complete sentence.

Seems to be just some words strung together without any clear meaning.

 

[lori milne]

Please read your own sentence here out loud to see whether it makes any sense or not. It does not to me. In fact, it isn't even a complete sentence. Seems to be just some words strung together without any clear meaning.

Because it's confusing to your theology Or because you take half of my statement and pick at it ? Read the complete post. It's about the actual meaning of repenting Feeling bad goes with changing ones mind Because God knows your heart So if you don't feel bad you didn't truly repent of the sin or in better words you not going to stop what you don't feel bad about This is confusing to you because OSAS has no accountability. I don't know how sanctification works with OSAS ? Im still " trying to get an Understanding but their are far to many scoffers to do this in good cheer

 

[lori milne]

Peter was chosen to be an Apostle. Judas was not. Judas was chosen to do what he did, that the scriptures would be fulfilled. In both cases they fulfilled that which God had determined. Here's your deception, you think that repentance is "feeling bad". That's not repentance, that's just emotions. To repent is to change one's mind. Core meaning of the term. Lots of people feel bad for their sins, but until they change their mind and stop those sins, nothing has changed. If Jesus didn't die to "cover" all sins, even murder and suicide, then He lied. Did Jesus die only for "past sins"? Then He didn't die for any of ours, because when He died, we were yet future to Him as Jesus, and everyone at that time. ALL of our sins were future. Do you not see this? This idea that He only died for our past sins is a lie from the pit of hell. Your works don't save you. They never have, and they never will. Works come from a saved heart, but they don't save you, or keep your salvation. Obedience comes from the saved heart, but obedience does not obtain or maintain your salvation. You are seriously deceived, Lori, and you need to stop trying to convince us of falsehoods and wrong teachings.

So because judas wasn't an apostle like myself and you he won't be covered ?
His sin is covered all sins according to OSAS
He repented

 

[lori milne]

Rom 6:23 says that the gift of God is eternal life. Rom 11:29 says that God's gifts are irrevocable. It is heretical to claim that eternal life can be revoked. The Bible says not!! Add to that the FACT that there are absolutely no verses that plainly say that salvtion can be lost. End of argument.

You can refuse your gift

Gods plan is all go to heaven that is a Sunday school teaching

 

[lori milne]

Not for salvation. For salvation, which is guaranteed, it's faith. For the one who is saved, it's works, for reward.

Sorry it's faith then you'll want to do the works
Better

Romans 3-4

 

[lori milne]

Your answers are vague regarding what exactly you'd say about who Jesus is. So, please expand and clarify, specifically. Confession of sins is for those who are saved, and such action saves no one. And a "true account and history and life of God and Jesus doesn't save anyone. And no altar call has EVER saved anyone. And no sinner's prayer has EVER saved anyone. Where in the Bible would anyone read that someone prayed any kind of prayer to be saved? When the jailer asked Paul what he MUST DO to be saved, Paul sure didn't lead him in any kind of prayer. He told him what he MUST DO: which is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. And the result would be that he would be saved.

That's an empty answer
How can some one believe in someone they don't know?

Jesus was the word of God the word of God ALL of it not some or bits like the OSAS
Is the FAITH
Paul taught the Gospel not just hey believe in this guy you don't know

 

[lori milne]

Amen, brother!

That sounds like OSAS and CALV to me

 

[lori milne]

Baloney! You don't even know what you're talking about! Not wanting to sin comes with the new birth, and true conversion. It's not emotional at all. Again, Baloney! That's just justification for judging others based on the amount of emotion they display when repenting of their sins. Show me one verse that pairs repentance with feeling bad.

Well it seems right because when I say to my son say your sorry and mean it ' God wants you to want him willingly But o get how that doesn't make sense to you again because of the predestination thing

 

[lori milne]

Baloney! You don't even know what you're talking about! Not wanting to sin comes with the new birth, and true conversion. It's not emotional at all. Again, Baloney! That's just justification for judging others based on the amount of emotion they display when repenting of their sins. Show me one verse that pairs repentance with feeling bad.

And again I said GOD knows the heart
It's not about judging a man based off if he is crying or not

 

[lori milne]

So, if someone changes their mind because they agree that a sin is wrong, they haven't really repented, because they didn't feel bad? Nonsense! Our salvation is not based on emotions.

God knows when you really don't want sin vs procrastinating and playing with sin,

That's repentance vs unrepentant
Either way OSAS doesn't believe in repenting so it would not make sense to you

 

[lori milne]

Funny that this was all you addressed from my post. The KJV Bible dictionary is not the inspired word of God. Are you a KJV-only person? that would explain a lot. the KJV is a translation, and as such is not directly inspired by God. Only the original autographs are directly God-breathed. Is the KJV reliable? Yes, for the most part. But it is not a perfect translation, none of them are. But they contain enough for a person to get saved, and live a Christian life.

I think I mite have sent that to you in error :/
To be honest I've got a few to many threads going at once

 

[nobdysfool]

Well it seems right because when I say to my sim say your sorry and mean it '

Unbelievable! "seems right"??? Scripture says "There is a way that seems right to a man (or woman) but the end thereof are the ways of death". People would do well to pay heed to that Scripture.

God wants you to want him willingly
But o get how that doesn't make sense to you again because of the predestination thing

There, you have just proven what I said, that you aren't hear to learn, you're here to tell those you've identified as OSAS, that they're wrong. You couldn't be further from the truth.

Predestination has nothing to do with it. You don't know what you're talking about!

God wants you to want Him willingly

That's nothing but human psychobabble. Show me a verse or passage that says this in the way you mean it (without twisting Scripture to do so).

You really don't have a clue. Whoever is feeding you this bad information is lying to you!

 

[StephanieSomer]

OSAS is a false, heretic doctrine and I can argument that everytime with everyone. The protestants needed to fullfill the lack of the Sacraments and instead of coming back to the One True Church they created a whole new set of ideas. The verses the protestants interpret for that are out of context and wrong-interpreted, but nowhere in the Bible says nothing about OSAS, that is a man-made invention.

I don't want to sound rude, but I will struggle for everyone to know the truth about Christ and His Church

If Sacraments are a prerequisite part of Salvation, then every NT writer lied. And so did Christ. Not a single one of them made any sacrament a necessity for Salvation. Sacraments are a man-made religious system designed to lead people to believe that their works are of any value whatsoever in the securement of Salvation. If Christ's sacrifice needed ANYTHING added to it to be sufficient, then, by definition, His sacrifice was INSUFFICIENT. THAT is heresy. We are HIS workmanship, not His and ours.

 

[nobdysfool]

God knows when you really don't want sin vs procrastinating and playing with sin,

That's repentance vs unrepentant
Either way OSAS doesn't believe in repenting so it would not make sense to you

Where do you get the idea that, as you claim, "OSAS doesn't believe in repentance"?? We PREACH repentance! We just don't have some human psychobabble happy-clappy definition for it. We understand that to repent means to change one's mind. To say that OSAS doesn't believe in repenting shows an abysmal lack of correct knowledge! Whoever is feeding you this junk is lying to you!

 

[nobdysfool]

If Sacraments are a prerequisite part of Salvation, then every NT writer lied. And so did Christ. Not a single one of them made any sacrament a necessity for Salvation. Sacraments are a man-made religious system designed to lead people to believe that their works are of any value whatsoever in the securement of Salvation. If Christ's sacrifice needed ANYTHING added to it to be sufficient, then, by definition, His sacrifice was INSUFFICIENT. THAT is heresy. We are HIS workmanship, not His and ours.

 

[nobdysfool]

If I'm correct I go to heaven you go to hell if you correct I also go to heaven and so do you

So if you care about that at all then go and search for the truth

That is one of the most insulting things I ever seen anyone say. the unspoken part is that you believe you are already 100% correct, so by default we can't be.

You say you are here to learn? I say you're not being truthful.

Job 28:1-28
Speaks of true understanding and wisdom never being found but through God and that needs to be searched out

Great Scripture! You should heed it.

 

[Marvin Knox]

To Marvin
I'm sorry you feel that way ? But just to clear the air I don't see the contradiction on the bible I see it with the theology.
The thread is completely refuting OSAS because it's a conflict and it shows a paradox or contradict My readings of all the verses you give just show Gods faithfulness and his expectation of his plan for us. I don't understand why that is in any way offensive to any one :-/

Just to be clear about what is offensive.

What is offensive is not your doctrine - even though that doctrine is wrong.

What is offensive to us is the fact that you lied about your intent.

You represented yourself as a seeker of truth concerning the proper balance between the scriptures on both sides of the issue.

You are clearly one who simply was looking for a novel way of venting your disagreement with OSAS.

You lied.

It's as simple and obvious as that.

Just to be clear!

 

[nobdysfool]

So because judas wasn't an apostle like myself and you he won't be covered ?

Not what I said. Different people have different callings. Being an apostle is only one of many different callings.

His sin is covered all sins according to OSAS
He repented

Would you please stop telling us what you THINK OSAS is, and get some real knowledge about it? You attack that which you have zero correct knowledge of. You keep demonstrating that you do not know what you're talking about. You are spreading falsehoods, thinking that you will defeat us, but you're only defeating yourself. Stop telling falsehoods about that which you clearly do not know anything correctly about.

Judas was not saved. Repentance can come too late. Esau is proof of that.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Whenever someone claims that they're denomination is the only way to Christ, it makes it sound more like a cult.