Refuting OSAS in jesus name

[StephanieSomer]

It's very easy to make any doctrine sound right when you use the Bible in a "doctrinal only" sense. Searching single Scripture verses to substantiate one's ideas is a VERY bad way to study the Scriptures. I could easily create arguments to say just about anything one could invent if I used the Scriptures like that. It's HUGELY necessary to FIRST understand the full contextual sense of a passage before making any attempt to glean specifics from particular verses.

If after 40 -60 complete reads through the books of Romans, Colossians, Hebrews, and Galatians, anyone could STILL hold a works-based theology, they are beyond help.

 

[nobdysfool]

It's very easy to make any doctrine sound right when you use the Bible in a "doctrinal only" sense. Searching single Scripture verses to substantiate one's ideas is a VERY bad way to study the Scriptures. I could easily create arguments to say just about anything one could invent if I used the Scriptures like that. It's HUGELY necessary to FIRST understand the full contextual sense of a passage before making any attempt to glean specifics from particular verses.

If after 40 -60 complete reads through the books of Romans, Colossians, Hebrews, and Galatians, anyone could STILL hold a works-based theology, they are beyond help.

 

[lori milne]

Where do you get the idea that, as you claim, "OSAS doesn't believe in repentance"?? We PREACH repentance! We just don't have some human psychobabble happy-clappy definition for it. We understand that to repent means to change one's mind. To say that OSAS doesn't believe in repenting shows an abysmal lack of correct knowledge! Whoever is feeding you this junk is lying to you!

You can't believe in something you don't need to do to go to heaven

 

[lori milne]

are works to you repenting if sin?

 

[lori milne]

That is one of the most insulting things I ever seen anyone say. the unspoken part is that you believe you are already 100% correct, so by default we can't be. You say you are here to learn? I say you're not being truthful. Great Scripture! You should heed it.

Haha lol,
sorry I wasn't trying to be insulting
Just pointing out the obvious that was stated already by another person

 

[StephanieSomer]

You can't believe in something you don't need to do to go to heaven

BTW, the "go to heaven" repetition actually isn't Scriptural. Nowhere in the Scripture does ANYONE use the phrase. Our spirits WILL go to heaven after death. But, we were created to live here, on Earth. At the resurrection, they will be reunited with our bodies. We were never intended to live anywhere else. Heaven will be coming HERE.

 

[nobdysfool]

are works to you repenting if sin?

No, repentance is part of Christian living. if you sin, you repent, and move on.

The works salvation view is that you must show your repentance by tears, and much boo-hooing, so everyone can see you're repenting. Works Salvation is more about being seen of others to be serving the Lord. Jesus specifically spoke against that.

 

[nobdysfool]

You can't believe in something you don't need to do to go to heaven

Did you not read what i wrote? We PREACH repentance! So your accusation that we don't believe in repentance is at best ignorant, and at worst, a deliberate lie.

 

[nobdysfool]

She insults us, then laughs about it. This is what we're dealing with, someone who lies, laughs about it, insults us, laughs some more about it, and makes false accusations, and then says "I'm here to learn". That's a lie.

 

[EmSw]

Where do you get the idea that, as you claim, "OSAS doesn't believe in repentance"?? We PREACH repentance! We just don't have some human psychobabble happy-clappy definition for it. We understand that to repent means to change one's mind. To say that OSAS doesn't believe in repenting shows an abysmal lack of correct knowledge! Whoever is feeding you this junk is lying to you!

Why preach repentance?
Are there some sins which weren't taken of on the cross?
A person repents to receive forgiveness of sins.

Strong's says this -
to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

Luke 13:3 -
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

Repenting is a part of salvation.

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish (the same word used in Luke 13:3), but have everlasting life.

If one believes in Him, he will also believe the words He spoke, such as, unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

 

[lori milne]

Just to be clear about what is offensive. What is offensive is not your doctrine - even though that doctrine is wrong. What is offensive to us is the fact that you lied about your intent. You represented yourself as a seeker of truth concerning the proper balance between the scriptures on both sides of the issue. You are clearly one who simply was looking for a novel way of venting your disagreement with OSAS. You lied. It's as simple and obvious as that. Just to be clear!

The thread is called refuting OSAS in jesus name

I can say that's fair to say !
but I do truly want to see both sides for a fair understanding. I've in countered a lot here and I've received something needed and that's both sides are saying the same thing in some areas and I needed that

I run into a lot of mean scoffers and then it turns to me Defending myself 90% of the time

But I do believe the theology is from the devil to mislead people to sin freely
Like the first lie the devil told Eve that she can " sin/ eat the apple
"

I've been on a search for satin and what he is doing!

I'm looking for facts only;
Religions and who started them
so prophesiers and scholars is all I will listen to for fact finding basic historical documents in religions.

I've study's many many religions so far and they all are stemmed from the same seed.

In acts it speaks of a pegan priest Simon megus was found distorting grace into lasciviousness and intentionally messing up the teachings of the gospel which sounds exactly like CALV and OSAS
Also I learned about John Calvin was from the roman church.

The Catholics are peganistic and don't deny it,

The history of the roman church from the beginning was to destroy the received bible
The pilgrims were running from the Roman church to save the word of God
When they got ahold of it to change it the English went to war with them and pushed their reformed bible into exile till the 1900
This is history not a conspiracy btw
Giving this to you with a pure heart
Not to be a no it all

 

[lori milne]

Did you not read what i wrote? We PREACH repentance! So your accusation that we don't believe in repentance is at best ignorant, and at worst, a deliberate lie.

Do you have to repent to go to heaven??

 

[lori milne]

She insults us, then laughs about it. This is what we're dealing with, someone who lies, laughs about it, insults us, laughs some more about it, and makes false accusations, and then says "I'm here to learn". That's a lie.

I'm sorry I laughed I'm just blown away about what some people get offended by.

I wasn't trying to be rude

 

[Brother Chris]

Do you have to repent to go to heaven??

Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ alone. But faith in Jesus Christ is always preceded by repentance. It's not a human-work, but the work of God in the heart. Repentance is the natural result of saving faith in Christ. And no, we don't repent after salvation to stay saved. We confess and repent of our sins after salvation for the purpose of SANCTIFICATION, and to avoid chastening from God. We don't do it to stay out of hell or to not loose salvation.

 

[lori milne]

Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ alone. But faith in Jesus Christ is always preceded by repentance. It's not a human-work, but the work of God in the heart. Repentance is the natural result of saving faith in Christ. And no, we don't repent after salvation to stay saved. We confess and repent of our sins after salvation for the purpose of SANCTIFICATION, and to avoid chastening from God. We don't do it to stay out of hell or to not loose salvation.

So then what I said before is correct .
It doesn't mean anything to you because you don't need to do it to go to heaven,
" You do it because you want to "

OSAS theology is you'll never have to worry about feeling bad or not feeling bad for true forgiveness or ever stop sinning On your own for that matter because all sins are covered.

 

[lori milne]

It's very easy to make any doctrine sound right when you use the Bible in a "doctrinal only" sense. Searching single Scripture verses to substantiate one's ideas is a VERY bad way to study the Scriptures. I could easily create arguments to say just about anything one could invent if I used the Scriptures like that. It's HUGELY necessary to FIRST understand the full contextual sense of a passage before making any attempt to glean specifics from particular verses. If after 40 -60 complete reads through the books of Romans, Colossians, Hebrews, and Galatians, anyone could STILL hold a works-based theology, they are beyond help.

Work based was in regards to the lavitical and mosaic law being followed
Not repenting

It was for the Jewish that did it to go to heaven with out CHRIST or true faith in the word

 

[StephanieSomer]

OSAS theology is you'll never have to worry about feeling bad or not feeling bad for true forgiveness or ever stop sinning On your own for that matter because all sins are covered.

No it doesn't. You have been greatly deceived. It means nothing of the sort.

 

[lori milne]

Unbelievable! "seems right"??? Scripture says "There is a way that seems right to a man (or woman) but the end thereof are the ways of death". You would do well to pay heed to that Scripture. There, you have just proven what I said, that you aren't hear to learn, you're here to tell those you've identified as OSAS, that they're wrong. You couldn't be further from the truth. Predestination has nothing to do with it. You don't know what you're talking about! That's nothing but human psychobabble. Show me a verse or passage that says this in the way you mean it (without twisting Scripture to do so). You really don't have a clue. Whoever is feeding you this bad information is lying to you!

The original conversation was about repentance meaning regret feeling sorrow
And it has been made clear its about feeling bad so I'm sorry I don't know who your disagreeing with me or the bible

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. ([bless and do not curse]2 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]7‬:[bless and do not curse]10‬ KJV)


Definition is from the bible
RE'PENT, a. L. repo, to creep.Creeping; as a repent root.

repentance

REPENT'ANCE, n.

1. Sorrow for any thing done or said; the pain or grief which a person experiences in consequence of the injury or inconvenience produced by his own conduct.

 

[StephanieSomer]

Definition is from the bible
RE'PENT, a. L. repo, to creep.Creeping; as a repent root.

repentance

REPENT'ANCE, n.

1. Sorrow for any thing done or said; the pain or grief which a person experiences in consequence of the injury or inconvenience produced by his own conduct.

You keep repeating that your definitions are from the Bible, but then you quote from some dictionary. The Bible actually defines very few things. The dictionary you are using may be within the covers of the book of the Bible you possess. But, it is NOT from the Bible. The Bible has no dictionary within it.

 

[lori milne]

You keep repeating that your definitions are from the Bible, but then you quote from some dictionary. The Bible actually defines very few things. The dictionary you are using may be within the covers of the book of the Bible you possess. But, it is NOT from the Bible. The Bible has no dictionary within it.

http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/repent.html

They give you ALL the definitions used in the bible
and the versus as well as the thologys " story "version definition