Refuting OSAS in jesus name

[lori milne]

Lori, it is obvious now that you have an agenda, and it is not learning the truth. This statement of yours is a contradiction. You have already decided that OSAS, Calvinism, and "hyper grace" (whatever that is) is wrong, and you will not countenance any contradiction to those already-decided-on beliefs. The problem, is, you clearly do NOT understand any of them correctly. You have been fed a pack of lies, and you don't have the discernment to realize this. Because of your inability to let of of those wrong beliefs, you cannot and will not accept what we say to you to help you see the truth. In short, you have made yourself unteachable. You didn't come here to learn the truth, you came here thinking you were going to correct us. You have failed in that. And you will continue to fail in that until you allow the Lord to enlighten you. That is something that only you can do, by letting go of what you think you know, and asking the Lord to give you wisdom and understanding, which He will do if you ask, believing, and let go of the false theology you have been throwing around in here.

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You've said nothing to the verses that show a direct contradiction ? How can I disagree with what your view is even if you did?'
I just want to understand them?

 

[lori milne]

It's faith then works!
God says he who does not wants to not sin will be blessed.
He who chooses God won't want to choose sin.
Romans 6:20
Matt 5:6
John 4:13-14

How is this a real thing If we still sin?
When do we not want sin?

I'm starting to think that my belief on accountability is almost convicting some believers.

 

[Brother Chris]

He is not promised no one is

If Your faith will heal you so then your faith will save you
But that is to truly believe in all of Gods words

Really??? Then this is not good news, this is terrible news. You have given him a works based salvation, where his eternal destination is based on what he does. Poor guy...

And Judas was not saved.

 

[lori milne]

It's faith then works! God says he who does not wants to not sin will be blessed. He who chooses God won't want to choose sin. Romans 6:20 Matt 5:6 John 4:13-14 How is this a real thing If we still sin? When do we not want sin? I'm starting to think that my belief on accountability is almost convicting some believers.

If we're predestined OSAS why then did jesuss desiples ask how then can we go to heaven
And then why didn't jesus give them your answer ?

 

[lori milne]

Really??? Then this is not good news, this is terrible news. You have given him a works based salvation, where his eternal destination is based on what he does. Poor guy... And Judas was not saved.

Work based salvation does not include repentance
It is what the Jewish do who don't believe in Jesus

 

[lori milne]

Really??? Then this is not good news, this is terrible news. You have given him a works based salvation, where his eternal destination is based on what he does. Poor guy... And Judas was not saved.

Judas betrayed Jesus Peter also betrayed Jesus What's the difference in your eyes? According to OSAS all sins are covered even murder / suicide with out repentance " work based salvation "
They both were repenting " feeling bad?

 

[nobdysfool]

Judas betrayed Jesus Peter also betrayed Jesus What's the difference in your eyes?

Peter was chosen to be an Apostle. Judas was not. Judas was chosen to do what he did, that the scriptures would be fulfilled. In both cases they fulfilled that which God had determined.

According to OSAS all sins are covered even murder / suicide with out repentance " work based salvation "
They both were repenting " feeling bad?

Here's your deception, you think that repentance is "feeling bad". That's not repentance, that's just emotions. To repent is to change one's mind. Core meaning of the term. Lots of people feel bad for their sins, but until they change their mind and stop those sins, nothing has changed.

If Jesus didn't die to "cover" all sins, even murder and suicide, then He lied. Did Jesus die only for "past sins"? Then He didn't die for any of ours, because when He died, we were yet future to Him as Jesus, and everyone at that time. ALL of our sins were future. Do you not see this?

This idea that He only died for our past sins is a lie from the pit of hell. Your works don't save you. They never have, and they never will. Works come from a saved heart, but they don't save you, or keep your salvation. Obedience comes from the saved heart, but obedience does not obtain or maintain your salvation.

You are seriously deceived, Lori, and you need to stop trying to convince us of falsehoods and wrong teachings.

 

[nobdysfool]

m

You've said nothing to the verses that show a direct contradiction ? How can I disagree with what your view is even if you did?'
I just want to understand them?

what verses would those be? You jump around and hop from thing to thing, because you have no intention of being educated. You just want to claim that you're right and we're not, without having to do the actual work to try and prove your view. Why? Because you know it won't pass the test, that we will show you where you're wrong, and you can't stand to be wrong, can you?

 

[lori milne]

Peter was chosen to be an Apostle. Judas was not. Judas was chosen to do what he did, that the scriptures would be fulfilled. In both cases they fulfilled that which God had determined. Here's your deception, you think that repentance is "feeling bad". That's not repentance, that's just emotions. To repent is to change one's mind. Core meaning of the term. Lots of people feel bad for their sins, but until they change their mind and stop those sins, nothing has changed. If Jesus didn't die to "cover" all sins, even murder and suicide, then He lied. Did Jesus die only for "past sins"? Then He didn't die for any of ours, because when He died, we were yet future to Him as Jesus, and everyone at that time. ALL of our sins were future. Do you not see this? This idea that He only died for our past sins is a lie from the pit of hell. Your works don't save you. They never have, and they never will. Works come from a saved heart, but they don't save you, or keep your salvation. Obedience comes from the saved heart, but obedience does not obtain or maintain your salvation. You are seriously deceived, Lori, and you need to stop trying to convince us of falsehoods and wrong teachings.

According to the BIBLE
KJV Dictionary Definition: repent

repent

RE'PENT, a. L. repo, to creep.Creeping; as a repent root.

repentance

REPENT'ANCE, n.

1. Sorrow for any thing done or said; the pain or grief which a person experiences in consequence of the injury or inconvenience produced by his own conduct.

 

[lori milne]

According to the BIBLE KJV Dictionary Definition: repent repent RE'PENT, a. L. repo, to creep.Creeping; as a repent root. repentance REPENT'ANCE, n. 1. Sorrow for any thing done or said; the pain or grief which a person experiences in consequence of the injury or inconvenience produced by his own conduct.

To change once mind should be because an emotion especially when it comes doing bad

 

[nobdysfool]

So, if someone changes their mind because they agree that a sin is wrong, they haven't really repented, because they didn't feel bad? Nonsense! Our salvation is not based on emotions.

 

[nobdysfool]

According to the BIBLE
KJV Dictionary Definition: repent

repent

RE'PENT, a. L. repo, to creep.Creeping; as a repent root.

repentance

REPENT'ANCE, n.

1. Sorrow for any thing done or said; the pain or grief which a person experiences in consequence of the injury or inconvenience produced by his own conduct.

Funny that this was all you addressed from my post. The KJV Bible dictionary is not the inspired word of God. Are you a KJV-only person? that would explain a lot. the KJV is a translation, and as such is not directly inspired by God. Only the original autographs are directly God-breathed. Is the KJV reliable? Yes, for the most part. But it is not a perfect translation, none of them are. But they contain enough for a person to get saved, and live a Christian life.

 

[lori milne]

So, if someone changes their mind because they agree that a sin is wrong, they haven't really repented, because they didn't feel bad? Nonsense! Our salvation is not based on emotions.

No God knows a mans heart is confusing to OSAS
Because it's the core idea of actually wanting to not sin
When you don't feel bad is when you should worry,
If you don't feel bad you'll never stop

 

[Wryetui]

OSAS is a false, heretic doctrine and I can argument that everytime with everyone. The protestants needed to fullfill the lack of the Sacraments and instead of coming back to the One True Church they created a whole new set of ideas. The verses the protestants interpret for that are out of context and wrong-interpreted, but nowhere in the Bible says nothing about OSAS, that is a man-made invention.

I don't want to sound rude, but I will struggle for everyone to know the truth about Christ and His Church

 

[Brother Chris]

OSAS is a false, heretic doctrine and I can argument that everytime with everyone. The protestants needed to fullfill the lack of the Sacraments and instead of coming back to the One True Church they created a whole new set of ideas. The verses the protestants interpret for that are out of context and wrong-interpreted, but nowhere in the Bible says nothing about OSAS, that is a man-made invention.

I don't want to sound rude, but I will struggle for everyone to know the truth about Christ and His Church

Whenever someone claims that they're denomination is the only way to Christ, it makes it sound more like a cult.

 

[nobdysfool]

No God knows a mans heart is confusing to OSAS

Baloney! You don't even know what you're talking about!

Because it's the core idea of actually wanting to not sin

Not wanting to sin comes with the new birth, and true conversion. It's not emotional at all.

When you don't feel bad is when you should worry,
If you don't feel bad you'll never stop

Again, Baloney! That's just justification for judging others based on the amount of emotion they display when repenting of their sins. Show me one verse that pairs repentance with feeling bad.

 

[nobdysfool]

Whenever someone claims that they're denomination is the only way to Christ, it makes it sound more like a cult.

Amen, brother!

 

[FreeGrace2]

I would ask him if he knows who God or jesus is
And if he didn't I would tell him,
Offer him to confess any sins in his heart/ privately to be cleansed from all sin" tell him they were forgiven.
Tell him or give him a bible ,
Give him a true account and understanding of the history and life of GOD & Jesus Christ.
Not just the blanket alter call.
then pray the sinners pray.

Your answers are vague regarding what exactly you'd say about who Jesus is. So, please expand and clarify, specifically.

Confession of sins is for those who are saved, and such action saves no one.

And a "true account and history and life of God and Jesus doesn't save anyone.

And no altar call has EVER saved anyone.

And no sinner's prayer has EVER saved anyone. Where in the Bible would anyone read that someone prayed any kind of prayer to be saved?

When the jailer asked Paul what he MUST DO to be saved, Paul sure didn't lead him in any kind of prayer. He told him what he MUST DO: which is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. And the result would be that he would be saved.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It's faith then works!

Not for salvation. For salvation, which is guaranteed, it's faith. For the one who is saved, it's works, for reward.

 

[FreeGrace2]

OSAS is a false, heretic doctrine and I can argument that everytime with everyone. The protestants needed to fullfill the lack of the Sacraments and instead of coming back to the One True Church they created a whole new set of ideas. The verses the protestants interpret for that are out of context and wrong-interpreted, but nowhere in the Bible says nothing about OSAS, that is a man-made invention.

I don't want to sound rude, but I will struggle for everyone to know the truth about Christ and His Church

Rom 6:23 says that the gift of God is eternal life. Rom 11:29 says that God's gifts are irrevocable.

It is heretical to claim that eternal life can be revoked. The Bible says not!!

Add to that the FACT that there are absolutely no verses that plainly say that salvtion can be lost.

End of argument.