Refuting OSAS in jesus name

[lori milne]

You keep repeating that your definitions are from the Bible, but then you quote from some dictionary. The Bible actually defines very few things. The dictionary you are using may be within the covers of the book of the Bible you possess. But, it is NOT from the Bible. The Bible has no dictionary within it.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. ([bless and do not curse]2 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]7‬:[bless and do not curse]10‬ KJV)

 

[lori milne]

No it doesn't. You have been greatly deceived. It means nothing of the sort.[/QUOTE

Do you have to repent to go to heaven ?
Or can I sin and still go to heaven ?

 

[lori milne]

It's very easy to make any doctrine sound right when you use the Bible in a "doctrinal only" sense. Searching single Scripture verses to substantiate one's ideas is a VERY bad way to study the Scriptures. I could easily create arguments to say just about anything one could invent if I used the Scriptures like that. It's HUGELY necessary to FIRST understand the full contextual sense of a passage before making any attempt to glean specifics from particular verses. If after 40 -60 complete reads through the books of Romans, Colossians, Hebrews, and Galatians, anyone could STILL hold a works-based theology, they are beyond help.

I agree completely
Cherry picking vs believing in the entire word of God is wrong

 

[StephanieSomer]

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. ([bless and do not curse]2 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]7‬:[bless and do not curse]10‬ KJV)

It is true that the emotion of sorrow CAN induce someone to repent. However, sorrow is NOT repentance. And sorrow is not necessary in order to repent. The verse you have quoted doesn't say that sorrow is necessary, only that it can induce repentance. In many cases, sorrow can actually deceive someone into thinking they HAVE repented, when it is obvious that they have not.

 

[StephanieSomer]

No it doesn't. You have been greatly deceived. It means nothing of the sort.[/QUOTE

Do you have to repent to go to heaven ?
Or can I sin and still go to heaven ?

As I posted earlier, the concept of "going to heaven" isn't Scriptural. Salvation is NOT "going to heaven". Salvation is the receiving of a new nature and eternal life. Man was never intended to live anywhere but on Earth. That is why heaven will be coming to Earth, rather than man going to heaven.

 

[lori milne]

It is true that the emotion of sorrow CAN induce someone to repent. However, sorrow is NOT repentance. And sorrow is not necessary in order to repent. The verse you have quoted doesn't say that sorrow is necessary, only that it can induce repentance. In many cases, sorrow can actually deceive someone into thinking they HAVE repented, when it is obvious that they have not.

Well I've never been good at judging so
God knows a mans heart balances it all out then

 

[nobdysfool]

No it doesn't. You have been greatly deceived. It means nothing of the sort.

Do you have to repent to go to heaven ?
Or can I sin and still go to heaven ?

The fact is, you DO sin. Are you going to heaven? God knows. I don't. I assume you repent of sin when you commit it. Who is that repentance directed to? Or is part of it having to make a scene so that all will know that you are repenting? Is that why you think it has to be emotional?

What did Jesus say to do when you pray? Didn't He say to go into your closet and pray to God? He contrasted that with the Scribes and Pharisees who prayed openly on street corners to be seen to be praying. They loved to be seen being religious. Jesus said to pray to your Father in secret, and He would reward you openly. But if you pray to be seen, you already have your reward, that of being seen by others to be religious. That is empty, dead works.

Repentance does not either save you, or keep you saved. You were forgiven when you received Christ. Your entire account was marked "Paid In Full". But you don't believe that. You think you must continually "do things" to keep that account marked "Paid In Full". Isn't that correct?

 

[lori milne]

to Stephanie Nice I agree What's Your theology if you don't mind me asking ?

 

[nobdysfool]

Nice I agree

What's Your theology if you don't mind me asking ?

who is this directed to?

 

[lori milne]

The fact is, you DO sin. Are you going to heaven? God knows. I don't. I assume you repent of sin when you commit it. Who is that repentance directed to? Or is part of it having to make a scene so that all will know that you are repenting? Is that why you think it has to be emotional? What did Jesus say to do when you pray? Didn't He say to go into your closet and pray to God? He contrasted that with the Scribes and Pharisees who prayed openly on street corners to be seen to be praying. They loved to be seen being religious. Jesus said to pray to your Father in secret, and He would reward you openly. But if you pray to be seen, you already have your reward, that of being seen by others to be religious. That is empty, dead works. Repentance does not either save you, or keep you saved. You were forgiven when you received Christ. Your entire account was marked "Paid In Full". But you don't believe that. You think you must continually "do things" to keep that account marked "Paid In Full". Isn't that correct?

I didn't mention feeling bad is repenting to express proof to man but to God Cause only he knows the heart

Sin leads to death
We're a slave to it or to CHRIST / righteousness Accountability / the fear of God

For me to believe in the whole bible completely is true faith in the word of God.
This seems to Be one of the many clear difference between OSAS and free will believers I truly like this conversation in good cheer

 

[nobdysfool]

I didn't mention feeling bad is repenting to express proof to man but to God Cause only he knows the heart

But you keep saying that to repent involves feeling bad, and that is not necessarily true. that is an emotional action that you are taking to try and convince God, isn't it? If he knows your heart (and He does), then you don't have to "do" anything other than change your mind about that sin, which is what repent means. your emotions don't make it more real to God.

Sin leads to death
We're a slave to it or to CHRIST / righteousness Accountability / the fear of God

A true Christian believes that he is a slave to Christ, Whose yoke is easy, and His burden light. He is freed from the power of sin. We are always accountable to God, that's not in question. And we are righteous by the fact that we are in Him, the Righteous One. We don't have to "do" anything for those benefits, they are ours by faith in Christ.

For me to believe in the whole bible completely is true faith in the word of God.
This seems to Be one of the many clear difference between OSAS and free will believers I truly like this conversation in good cheer

What makes you think that "OSAS" believers don't believe the whole Word of God? That is a lie.

You mention free will believers. Most of them don't have it right, because they think that "free will" is the most important part of theology. Don't get me started on that.

 

[Marvin Knox]

I've been on a search for satin and what he is doing!

 

[nobdysfool]

no wonder you're having trouble finding him! His name is Satan, not satin.

 

[James Is Back]

no wonder you're having trouble finding him! His name is Satan, not satin.

Why would anyone be looking for him? I would want to avoid him at all cost.

 

[lori milne]

no wonder you're having trouble finding him! His name is Satan, not satin.

Haha lol
Sorry
I'm a mom of a toddler
Typos are part of parenthood

 

[nobdysfool]

Why would anyone be looking for him? I would want to avoid him at all cost.

Amen Bro! I don't go looking for him, he leaves enough clues to his presence as it is!

 

[lori milne]

But you keep saying that to repent involves feeling bad, and that is not necessarily true. that is an emotional action that you are taking to try and convince God, isn't it? If he knows your heart (and He does), then you don't have to "do" anything other than change your mind about that sin, which is what repent means. your emotions don't make it more real to God. A true Christian believes that he is a slave to Christ, Whose yoke is easy, and His burden light. He is freed from the power of sin. We are always accountable to God, that's not in question. And we are righteous by the fact that we are in Him, the Righteous One. We don't have to "do" anything for those benefits, they are ours by faith in Christ. What makes you think that "OSAS" believers don't believe the whole Word of God? That is a lie. You mention free will believers. Most of them don't have it right, because they think that "free will" is the most important part of theology. Don't get me started on that.

Il be honest I don't know what to call my beliefs ?
Because this was given to me from God the words I've read my entire life .

I know I feel we are accountable for the sins we commit vs them being covered while we sin or live in sin?
I say it that way because of what the majority of the theology talks about sin willful or not is covered. ( no offense!)

I think the theology a idea is its assumed you won't want to but it's still am apparent part of a Christians life justified sin?

When does the parable of the 10 virgins come in
To play ?
It's hard to chew for me

 

[StephanieSomer]

to Stephanie Nice I agree What's Your theology if you don't mind me asking ?

What's my theology? It is impossible to list a person's theology in a single post. Perhaps you can be a bit more specific in your question.

In reality, you do NOT agree with most that I've already posted. Whatever it was that you DO agree with me on I have no clue. Most of your posts require quite a bit of interpretation. Lack of punctuation, gross miss-spellings, and sentence fragments are difficult to follow.

 

[lori milne]

What's my theology? It is impossible to list a person's theology in a single post. Perhaps you can be a bit more specific in your question. In reality, you do NOT agree with most that I've already posted. Whatever it was that you DO agree with me on I have no clue. Most of your posts require quite a bit of interpretation. Lack of punctuation, gross miss-spellings, and sentence fragments are difficult to follow.

Hey English wasn't my best subject but that's me iN a nut shell. I think my point gets a cross pretty well for tripping over a toddler and only being on an iPhone lol It was your position in salvation i believe. It wasn't a traditional answer I hear from the People on this particular topic " OSAS " For some reason it would not let me respond To it. No worries it's not important someone's theology really just curious

 

[lori milne]

BTW, the "go to heaven" repetition actually isn't Scriptural. Nowhere in the Scripture does ANYONE use the phrase. Our spirits WILL go to heaven after death. But, we were created to live here, on Earth. At the resurrection, they will be reunited with our bodies. We were never intended to live anywhere else. Heaven will be coming HERE.

this was the one I agreed with And it was about heaven coming here It's a view most people forget and not common To hear for me