I have asked you to explain the analogy of Esaus birthright used by the Hebrew writer in Heb. 12, which you keep avoid doing.
I did explain that it had nothing to do with salvation, which I believe, was your point. So I will explain what it was. He, as the firstborn, was entitled to the "firstborn's inheritance" rights. But he gave it away. That was a literal inheritance right, and again, has nothing to do with salvation. After giving it away, he was unable to get that privilege back, even though he sought it with tears. His father would not change his mind (no repentance). The whole book of Hebrews is about eternal reward. Not salvation.
I have explained that analogy and all you have said: Wrong analogy.
That's all there was to say about it.
You also go back to the verses which I did explain and do not apply to eternal life in Ro. 6 and 11 to try and explain it is irrevocable.
lol Rom 6:23 is about eternal life, which is salvation. And 11:29 says that God's gifts are irrevocable. Eternal life is irrevocable. That is irrefutable.
Where does it say this is referring to some heavenly reward and not heaven itself?
In the "hall of faith" of ch 11, note 10, 13, 14, 16, 26 (esp), 39 (esp). They are referring to more than heaven. If salvation, or just getting to heaven, then how would one explain v.13 and 39? It says they didn't receive the things promised when they died. That would mean they didn't get to heaven, if heaven was the focus. But the whole chapter refers to the New Jerusalem (Rev 21) which, in context, is about reward in eternity.
There is also all these warnings given Christians, which you say only refers to some heavenly rewards and not heaven itself, but have not shown where that is found in scripture (it just seems to go against your conclusion)?
Pick out any warning, and try to show where in any of those passages the warning is about loss of salvation.
There are lots of New Testament verses on satan attacking Christians and warning Christians about satan trying to leading them away.
Yes, there are. So?
Again you can go back to Gal. 6:8-10 to help you.
I believe I have already addressed this, but I'm happy to do so again. To "reap" eternal life refers to the blessings and reward beyond just entering heaven. Jesus noted as much in Jn 10:10, when He said that He would die for everyone (the sheep) so that they may have life (salvation) and have it MORE ABUNDANTLY (rewards).
If man walks away from his faith, is man not also walking away from trusting in the Love of God, so man is trusting in himself?
At that point, the die is cast. He HAS become a new creature, born again, a child of God. Where does Scripture teach that these are reversible or forfeited?
That is the assumption you make in laying aside all the warnings as being insignificant when it comes to eternal life in heaven and specific verses like Gal. 6: 8-10.
I've NEVER said any of the warnings are insignificant. They are ALL highly significant. When God warns, we better pay attention. But one must have the discernment to understand that eternal life is irrevocable, and the warnings about about loss of future blessings and reward.
Man still has free will even after becoming a Christian.
Yep. But that is not relevant to the issue of eternal security. No believer holds on to their salvation by free will, and no one loses it by free will.
You will have to explain that further.
I said this: "Biblical election is being chosen for special privilege and service. Not salvation." That is clear enough. God choses people for special privilege and service. And this includes unbelievers. Here are the 6 categories of election that I have found in Scripture:
1. Election of Christ: Isa 42:1 "Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.
Matt 12:18 "Behold, My Servant whom I have chosen; My Beloved in whom My soul is well-pleased; I will put My Spirit upon Him, And He shall proclaim justice to the Gentiles.
Luke 9:35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Luke 23:35 And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, "He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.
1 Peter 2:6 For this is contained in Scripture: "Behold I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone, And he who believes in Him shall not be disappointed."
2. Election of Israel: Amos 3:2 "You only have I chosen among all the families of the earth; Therefore, I will punish you for all your iniquities."
Deut 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.
3. Election of Angels: 1 Tim 5:21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.
4. Election of the Church or body of Christ: Eph 1:4a just as He chose us (believers) in Him
5. Other elections:
Paul: Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;
Apostles: John 15:16 "You did not choose Me, but I chose you , and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask of the Father in My name, He may give to you.
Note that Christ wasn't chosen for salvation, nor the entire people of Israel in the OT. Many did not believe. And we can't say anything about angels because the Bible doesn't give us any details about them and election. And Judas, one of the 12, was chosen, yet was a devil (Jn 6:70).
Yet, all these categories involve special privilege and service, even Christ.
What do you think it was?
I'm not sure what is being asked. The topic was the "gift" of Rom 11:29 and your contention that 11:29 referred to Israel being chosen as a gift.
Yet, there is no Scripture that refers to Israel's election as a gift; either in Romans or any other book of the Bible.
The gift of Rom 11:29 refers back to 5:15,16 (justification) and 6:23 (eternal life). That is how context works.
The idea that some Christians turned away to follow satan. If this is not talking about Christians they would not have turned since they already were following satan.
Yes, some have turned away to follow Satan.
OK, so you rule a huge city in heaven and I live in a cardboard box on the street outside your city. Will you ask me to join you, sit at your table, have a room in your mansion and would you wash my feet?
I have no use for any attempt to minimize eternal rewards, or to mock them. I think one can to better than that. When the Bible speaks of ruling cities, it doesn't use quotes, which I take as a sign of sarcasm.
Are rulers in the spiritual realm really servant, serving others (like Christ)?
In the Millennium and then the eternal state, Christ won't be a servant. He will be the ruling King. I have no idea what is meant by your "spiritual realm" is referring to.
If in heaven you have a greater Love, so you Love me more than I Love you, who is the winner and loser in that scenario?
To be sure, there will be winners and losers in heaven, though it seems very few believers understand that, including most pastors. But 2 Jn 8 is a clear warning about not losing reward. Jesus was clear about that as well.
Which scenario seems better:
to be in heaven but having no position of authority or sharing in the rulership of Christ, or to have a position of authority and sharing in the rulership of Christ?
Some people will say they will be happy just to be near Jesus in heaven. Well, that's quite nice. But guess what: to be near Him, one must have earned a throne on which to sit to be near Him. Because only those who have earned that privilege and reward will be the closest to Him.
So, the point of Hebrews: take your pick. Rewards through works, or not.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Rom 8:38. What does "things present nor things future" refer to in that context? Thanks.