Refuting Calvin's TULIP

[PrettyboyAndy]

God shows no favoritism. All have the opportunity to accept his grace.

Acts 10
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

Brother, it says God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation,

When you see all, that is what it means, Jews and Gentiles alike/Every nation.

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

You keep spinning in circles. You deny that God's grace has appeared to all men, that Christ is drawing all men to himself, and that all have been made alive in Christ.

Now the ball is in our court.

Your dogma could lead many to Hell through creating a feeling of presumption and entitlement in some and a feeling of hopelessness and despair in others. It is not of God.

See your jumping around, lets get to that bit that you mentioned in the latter part of your post later,

the person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:14

You can not possibly explain how a person can come to Christ without initial work of God, Scripture clearly shows here man is unable to come to Christ without initial work from Him

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

You keep spinning in circles. You deny that God's grace has appeared to all men, that Christ is drawing all men to himself, and that all have been made alive in Christ.

Now the ball is in our court.

Your dogma could lead many to Hell through creating a feeling of presumption and entitlement in some and a feeling of hopelessness and despair in others. It is not of God.

Our sinful corruption is so deep and so strong as to make us slaves of sin and morally unable to overcome our own rebellion and blindness. This inability to save ourselves from ourselves is total. We are utterly dependent on God’s grace to overcome our rebellion, give us eyes to see, and effectively draw us to the Savior.

 

[Yahu_]

Judas was a Jew. He was not a Christian. He had fallen from the security of the Abrahamic Covenant. He did not proclaim Jesus as the promised Jewish Messiah. In fact, he rejected Jesus as such, which was blasphemy. He died (or killed himself) prior to the advent of the Cross, leaving him with no hope. Salvation by Grace through Faith was not available to him.

Who says Judas rejected Yeshua as messiah? Judas was a zealot looking for the messiah to free Israel from Rome. He just tried to force the issue to put Yeshua in direct conflict with Rome. He didn't realize that the 1st occurrence of the messiah had to die.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Brother, it says God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation,

When you see all, that is what it means, Jews and Gentiles alike/Every nation.

I think that the key word that he was getting across was 'favoritism" as in unconditional election showing favoritism to those who are 'elect' so to speak, I hate that word, "elect". Sounds so arrogant.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Who says Judas rejected Yeshua as messiah? Judas was a zealot looking for the messiah to free Israel from Rome. He just tried to force the issue to put Yeshua in direct conflict with Rome. He didn't realize that the 1st occurrence of the messiah had to die.

Huh?

I think Judas knew full well that Jesus would die if he turned Him over to the Pharisee's. Have you read Matthew 23? Jesus called them 'Viper's' and put curses on them of the blood of the patriarch's if I am not mistaken. And the blood of the apostles that would be killed for Christ. Judas was one of the 12 apostles. He knew that they would kill Jesus.

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

Who says Judas rejected Yeshua as messiah? Judas was a zealot looking for the messiah to free Israel from Rome. He just tried to force the issue to put Yeshua in direct conflict with Rome. He didn't realize that the 1st occurrence of the messiah had to die.

He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it. John 12:6

Judas was a thief not a believer in Christ

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

I think that the key word that he was getting across was 'favoritism" as in unconditional election showing favoritism to those who are 'elect' so to speak, I hate that word, "elect". Sounds so arrogant.

For there shall arise false christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24

Sorry you hate the word, but its in the bible

In light of scripture I am be very grateful that I was saved, he chose to have mercy on me when I did not deserve it by any means!

Although I have a different viewpoint about salvation than you do, that doesn't change my mindset even with God's sovereignty in election. I am so grateful not arrogant, because I did not save myself, the Lord did.

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

You keep spinning in circles. You deny that God's grace has appeared to all men, that Christ is drawing all men to himself, and that all have been made alive in Christ.

Now the ball is in our court.

Your dogma could lead many to Hell through creating a feeling of presumption and entitlement in some and a feeling of hopelessness and despair in others. It is not of God.

if God's grace appeared to every man, then everyone would be given faith to believe.

The natural man with the heart of stone, must be granted faith to believe because he is dead in his sins, unable to come to Him.

Faith is a gift, that gift is not given to every man, or everyman would believe in Him

 

[Thursday]

if God's grace appeared to every man, then everyone would be given faith to believe.

Not true. In fact, many who at one time believe later all away. We are free creatures made in the image of God. After the fall we have knowledge of good and evil so we cannot be held blameless.

God's grace, which has appeared to all men, enables us to follow his will. It does not force us to follow.

 

[Thursday]

Although I have a different viewpoint about salvation than you do, that doesn't change my mindset even with God's sovereignty in election. I am so grateful not arrogant, because I did not save myself, the Lord did.

You have no idea whether you are one of the elect or not, according to your dogma. What's more, there's nothing you can do about it. That's quite a God you have created!

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

You have no idea whether you are one of the elect or not, according to your dogma. What's more, there's nothing you can do about it. That's quite a God you have created!

Just curious what dogma you have that assures your salvation? Is it dogma or scripture?

 

[Thursday]

Just curious what dogma you have that assures your salvation? Is it dogma or scripture?

Scripture does not assure salvation. We must endure to be saved.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Scripture does not assure salvation. We must endure to be saved.

Do you think your household is saved in what you endure?

 

[Thursday]

Do you think your household is saved in what you endure?

No. Each of us must stand before the judgment seat of God.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

No. Each of us must stand before the judgment seat of God.

Hmn Just curious ... thanks for indulging

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

Just curious what dogma you have that assures your salvation? Is it dogma or scripture?

The Bible says:

being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus. Philippians 1:4

So if you are saved, you can not lose salvation

Also:
And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,Ephesians 1:13

The spirit of God is a seal, and promise of your inheritance, you can not lose your salvation or Holy Spirit

 

[PrettyboyAndy]

Not true. In fact, many who at one time believe later all away. We are free creatures made in the image of God. After the fall we have knowledge of good and evil so we cannot be held blameless.

God's grace, which has appeared to all men, enables us to follow his will. It does not force us to follow.

The ones that fell away did not belong to Him

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.1 John 2:19

I refuted every single argument you brought up less the Galatians one I am Galatians one, I am still working on that one

 

[Yahu_]

Scripture does not assure salvation. We must endure to be saved.

You are confusing salvation of the spirit (Justification) with salvation of the soul (sanctification).

 

[ToBeLoved]

For there shall arise false christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24

Sorry you hate the word, but its in the bible

In light of scripture I am be very grateful that I was saved, he chose to have mercy on me when I did not deserve it by any means!

Although I have a different viewpoint about salvation than you do, that doesn't change my mindset even with God's sovereignty in election. I am so grateful not arrogant, because I did not save myself, the Lord did.

We are all grateful and thankful to Christ for what he has done for us. And we all believe in God's sovereignty