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I have 2 legs to stand on, thank you very much. :wave:

Are you equating rape with blacks experiencing racism? Is this the new low bar for you?
Your argument doesn't. It consists of "suck it up" (paraphrasing)

I'm saying both have a perpetrator and a victim. Why believe women and not blacks when they recall their experience?

Why do blacks receive longer prison sentences for the same crimes? Why are blacks shot dead when they are unarmed more than whites? Why do black schools have the crappiest teachers? Why do blacks make less money for doing the same job as whites?

I'll tell you why........Racism, whether it is conscious or unconscious, whites discriminate and they are the ones most in the position to hire and fire.

All of the stats back this up but let me guess, it has something to do with blacks being inferior workers and thus were passed over and hired for less for a good reason?
 
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Great passive aggressive response. Really helps your cause! :rolleyes:
Nice to see you can't refute any of it :oldthumbsup: It shows either you don't know what is going on or you don't care
 
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Your argument doesn't. It consists of "suck it up" (paraphrasing)
You seem to have a very low opinion on the ability of blacks to overcome their circumstances. We just had a black president for 8 years not too long ago. Did racism limit him to become one of the most powerful people in the world?
I'm saying both have a perpetrator and a victim. Why believe women and not blacks when they recall their experience?
Who said anything about not believing blacks? You had to stoop pretty low to equate it to rape.
Why do blacks receive longer prison sentences for the same crimes? Why are blacks shot dead when they are unarmed more than whites? Why do black schools have the crappiest teachers? Why do blacks make less money for doing the same job as whites?
Why are black children raised in single parent homes more than any other race? Why do blacks kill other blacks at a higher rate than any other race? The questions can go on and on....
I'll tell you why........Racism, whether it is conscious or unconscious, whites discriminate and they are the ones most in the position to hire and fire.
Some racism exists, that's true. But the bigger issue, imo, is black culture. Rap/hip hop music went from being cool in the 70s through the early 90s. Then "gangsta" rap became popular and along with it the glorification of cop killing, murder, drugs, and referring to women as (sounds like) ditches and hoes. Statistics point to 2 parent homes and indicators of economic and emotional stability, yet the black family structure has been in decline for a number of years with increases in teen pregnancies and single parent (mostly mothers) families. Blacks kill blacks more than any other race. Is that the fault of racism? I think not! If Black Lives Matter, then why don't they matter to their own kind? It's convenient to blame "whitey" for the place in life, but much of it is self-inflicted.
All of the stats back this up but let me guess, it has something to do with blacks being inferior workers and thus were passed over and hired for less for a good reason?
You are a bad guesser. But that's how you roll it seems. Keep living in the past and you will never achieve Dr. King's dream. I don't like or dislike a person based on their color or where they're from. I like or dislike them based on how they act toward me and others.

I had a black roommate in college. We were both athletes in the same sport and became good friends, until we were roommates. He stole stuff from me. When I confronted him, he had no remorse, just a blank stare. I moved out and moved on from him. Years later, he showed up on the local news being arrested for impersonating a police officer by putting a flashing light on the roof of his car (like Starsky & Hutch TV show from the 70s) and pulling over attractive women so he could get their phone numbers. Racism has nothing to do with him being an idiot that I dislike. I've met and interacted with numerous blacks over the years that were super cool and nice. Just like I've met and interacted with good and bad whites, Hispanics, Asians, non-Americans, etc. You don't know me, so please quit trying to "guess" what my thoughts and opinions are with regards to racial matters.
 
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Why are black children raised in single parent homes more than any other race? Why do blacks kill other blacks at a higher rate than any other race? The questions can go on and on....
You don't really want to know why that is happening or I should say you wouldn't believe anything I had to say on the matter that didn't agree with your worldview. I believe you would rather just blame it on a defect of character.

Who puts out those disgusting albums? Do you think black people are controlling the record industry? Characters of blacks have been popular since little black Sambo. From Blaxploitation to today's hip-hop. They have an interest in making blacks look like savages.

It all has to do with this:
The Coon Caricature - Anti-black Imagery - Jim Crow Museum - Ferris State University

Have you ever had the police put a gun to your head or step on your face? It has an effect on you when it has happened to you and most of the people you know. I'm going off personal experience, my circle's experience, and statistics. Racism is still happening, and not just once in a great while.

"They put their club upside your head. Then turn around and accuse you of attacking them. They take you, bust you all upside your mouth and then charge you with assault." Malcolm X

It is still going on today. It's just now they get caught on camera sometimes.
 
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You seem to have a very low opinion on the ability of blacks to overcome their circumstances. We just had a black president for 8 years not too long ago. Did racism limit him to become one of the most powerful people in the world?
He succeeded despite racism, much like many successful Black people in the past. Did the accomplishments of Frederick Douglass negate the fact that slavery and Jim Crow were the institutions in his lifetime? Your argument is ridiculous at face value; Obama won because of people of color, most white people did not support either of his presidential runs.

Who said anything about not believing blacks? You had to stoop pretty low to equate it to rape.
You said his statements were false, you denied his experience.

Why are black children raised in single parent homes more than any other race? Why do blacks kill other blacks at a higher rate than any other race? The questions can go on and on.... Some racism exists, that's true. But the bigger issue, imo, is black culture. Rap/hip hop music went from being cool in the 70s through the early 90s. Then "gangsta" rap became popular and along with it the glorification of cop killing, murder, drugs, and referring to women as (sounds like) ditches and hoes. Statistics point to 2 parent homes and indicators of economic and emotional stability, yet the black family structure has been in decline for a number of years with increases in teen pregnancies and single parent (mostly mothers) families.
You place too much stock in the influence of entertainers. Donald Trump held the same misguided view, where he somehow thought getting endorsement from rappers would lead to electoral success. Gangsta rap has not been around since the 90s, stop beating that old dead horse.

Blacks kill blacks more than any other race. Is that the fault of racism? I think not! If Black Lives Matter, then why don't they matter to their own kind? It's convenient to blame "whitey" for the place in life, but much of it is self-inflicted.
What's racist is singling out "black-on-black" crime as if it is different or special from other intraracial crime. If you look at homicide cases, most involve people of the same racial group. There is also the whole presentation as talking about them as "their own kind," it's simply a needless racialization. Do you speak this way of white people killing "their own kind", or does this argument only apply to Black people? I think the racism of the idea is evident here.

And who said anything about "whitey"? Only you did. People pointing out racial discrimination and demonstrating this fact with economic data, studies that show racial bias, and other evidence are not blaming anyone, they are simply showing how racial discrimination is still a problem in our society, despite progress. Nonetheless, Black Lives Matter is related to police violence and accountability, it's not about citizens killing each other.

You are a bad guesser. But that's how you roll it seems. Keep living in the past and you will never achieve Dr. King's dream. I don't like or dislike a person based on their color or where they're from. I like or dislike them based on how they act toward me and others.
I think his guess is quite accurate, you spent the better half of your post attacking "Black culture" as if it is inferior. Talking about "culture" has been the argument made by those who have opposed dismantling racist institutions since the 1870s. The exact same arguments pointing the finger at Black families, culture, crime, etc., has never changed. The only thing that has been dropped is the biological racism argument, but everything you mentioned is no different than the anti-Reconstructionists in the 1870s to the John Birch Society-types opposing desegregation in the 1950s/1960s.

I had a black roommate in college. We were both athletes in the same sport and became good friends, until we were roommates. He stole stuff from me. When I confronted him, he had no remorse, just a blank stare. I moved out and moved on from him. Years later, he showed up on the local news being arrested for impersonating a police officer by putting a flashing light on the roof of his car (like Starsky & Hutch TV show from the 70s) and pulling over attractive women so he could get their phone numbers. Racism has nothing to do with him being an idiot that I dislike. I've met and interacted with numerous blacks over the years that were super cool and nice. Just like I've met and interacted with good and bad whites, Hispanics, Asians, non-Americans, etc. You don't know me, so please quit trying to "guess" what my thoughts and opinions are with regards to racial matters.
And your anecdotal story has nothing to do with the uncovering of racism that remains in American society to this day. We see it in employment discrimination, housing discrimination, police bias, education discrimination, etc. Your story does not negate the studies and government reports that show the continued effect of racism in the USA.
 
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I don't care for passive aggressiveness.
Passive aggressive is like when you say something nice in a backhanded way. All I did was tell you you have no argument, You rely mostly on your feelings because I doubt you have much experience with discrimination I gather from what you say. So you really have no point of reference to start with. If you are oblivious to discrimination, you will never see it.
 
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He succeeded despite racism, much like many successful Black people in the past. Did the accomplishments of Frederick Douglass negate the fact that slavery and Jim Crow were the institutions in his lifetime? Your argument is ridiculous at face value; Obama won because of people of color, most white people did not support either of his presidential runs.

You said his statements were false, you denied his experience.

You place too much stock in the influence of entertainers. Donald Trump held the same misguided view, where he somehow thought getting endorsement from rappers would lead to electoral success. Gangsta rap has not been around since the 90s, stop beating that old dead horse.

What's racist is singling out "black-on-black" crime as if it is different or special from other intraracial crime. If you look at homicide cases, most involve people of the same racial group. There is also the whole presentation as talking about them as "their own kind," it's simply a needless racialization. Do you speak this way of white people killing "their own kind", or does this argument only apply to Black people? I think the racism of the idea is evident here.

And who said anything about "whitey"? Only you did. People pointing out racial discrimination and demonstrating this fact with economic data, studies that show racial bias, and other evidence are not blaming anyone, they are simply showing how racial discrimination is still a problem in our society, despite progress. Nonetheless, Black Lives Matter is related to police violence and accountability, it's not about citizens killing each other.

I think his guess is quite accurate, you spent the better half of your post attacking "Black culture" as if it is inferior. Talking about "culture" has been the argument made by those who have opposed dismantling racist institutions since the 1870s. The exact same arguments pointing the finger at Black families, culture, crime, etc., has never changed. The only thing that has been dropped is the biological racism argument, but everything you mentioned is no different than the anti-Reconstructionists in the 1870s to the John Birch Society-types opposing desegregation in the 1950s/1960s.

And your anecdotal story has nothing to do with the uncovering the racism that remains in American society to this day. We see it in employment discrimination, housing discrimination, police bias, education discrimination, etc. Your story does not negate the studies and government reports that show the continued effect of racism in the USA.
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He succeeded despite racism, much like many successful Black people in the past. Did the accomplishments of Frederick Douglass negate the fact that slavery and Jim Crow were the institutions in his lifetime? Your argument is ridiculous at face value; Obama won because of people of color, most white people did not support either of his presidential runs.

This is ridiculous because no institution of slavery or Jim Crow exists now. I can understand that these have had effects....that's why our welfare system and affirmative action exists. One exists for anyone poor and is disproportionately used by black people....the other favors black students and job applicants by bending the rules slightly in their favor. It's largely been successful, but not without drawbacks.

Now that the rules are fair and institutions open to all...the excuse has magically changed into a boogeyman that lives in the unconscious or hidden deep within systems so complex that it cannot be pointed out.

If I were to be as kind and gentle as possible about this, I'd suggest that some self reflection, perhaps even some input from outside the community, could be useful. It's entirely understandable that the evils of racism are suspected by a group of people who fought against it for so long. It's entirely understandable that a push for "equality" evokes thoughts of righteous struggle. This has rightly been a source of pride and heroic figures in the black community since Frederick Douglass.

But it's hard to be gentle with a community that never looks inward, never considers it's own problems, and hastily condemns anyone who does. I've known plenty of people like that throughout my life who constantly blame others for their problems and are outraged by any attempt to discuss the mere possibility that they could be in some way, big or small, creating them. That's not unique to any group or individual....but I've never seen any of them actually solve their problems.
 
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So you do deny the experiences of white people, and I'm gonna guess that the big factor is....evidence?
No I don't. I said it is less likely to happen but it does happen.
 
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So the tenets in the Britannica article are false? I think the article highlighted what the theory actually is. Not liking the facts does not make them false.

Post #143 is far more opinion than fact. The Communist conspiracy rears its head as soon as the conservatives start losing traction in a debate.

Britannica is devoid of the background of this theory and does not have the depth. It's extremely myopic and surface oriented. The fact it does not hing to address where it came from proves that fact. The facts are as I presented which in Paul.Harveys famous words are "the rest of the story."

Ignoring the facts makes one willingly ignorant.
 
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You don't really want to know why that is happening or I should say you wouldn't believe anything I had to say on the matter that didn't agree with your worldview. I believe you would rather just blame it on a defect of character.

Who puts out those disgusting albums? Do you think black people are controlling the record industry? Characters of blacks have been popular since little black Sambo. From Blaxploitation to today's hip-hop. They have an interest in making blacks look like savages.

Let me guess, the reason is because white people did something and individual character has nothing to do with it.

The music you are talking about came from the black community and the black community bought it and generally performed it. Record companies only care about the money they are going to make. If the black community didn't buy or support it then the companies wouldn't sell it.
No matter who owns the company.

Do you see racism in everything?
 
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Apparently whiteness is a parasitic condition that needs treatment. In a paper published in the American Psychoanalytic Journal the author wrote:
Moss argues that white people possess an 'entitled dominion' that enables the 'host' to wield power 'without limit, force without restriction, violence without mercy,' and increases one's desire to 'terrorize.'"

He also said white people need psychic and social intervention to get rid of their whiteness.

So CRT is deeply flawed and racist to the core.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/whiteness-parasitic-condition-medical-journal
 
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He succeeded despite racism, much like many successful Black people in the past. Did the accomplishments of Frederick Douglass negate the fact that slavery and Jim Crow were the institutions in his lifetime? Your argument is ridiculous at face value; Obama won because of people of color, most white people did not support either of his presidential runs.
So... black people CAN over come racism and succeed?? Imagine that!
You said his statements were false, you denied his experience.
Now you are making a false statement. I never denied his experience, just some of his statements in general were false.
You place too much stock in the influence of entertainers. Donald Trump held the same misguided view, where he somehow thought getting endorsement from rappers would lead to electoral success. Gangsta rap has not been around since the 90s, stop beating that old dead horse.
Yeah, ok mr. rap expert. At a recent youth sports event, there was rap/hip hop music blaring that referenced killing cops. Not to mention all the f-bombs and degradation of women references. Are you denying my experiences??
Nonetheless, Black Lives Matter is related to police violence and accountability, it's not about citizens killing each other.
BLM has evolved to more than police violence and accountability. Surely you know that..
I think his guess is quite accurate, you spent the better half of your post attacking "Black culture" as if it is inferior.
Huh, both of you are wrong now. Imagine that. You have an "inferior" complex it seems. Things are either inferior or superior depending on your bias. It's like your looking for a power struggle for some reason.
And your anecdotal story has nothing to do with the uncovering of racism that remains in American society to this day. We see it in employment discrimination, housing discrimination, police bias, education discrimination, etc. Your story does not negate the studies and government reports that show the continued effect of racism in the USA.
And I have never denied racism exists. Just quit using it as a crutch to keep yourself down. Rise above the circumstances. What's so wrong with that?
 
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Passive aggressive is like when you say something nice in a backhanded way. All I did was tell you you have no argument, You rely mostly on your feelings because I doubt you have much experience with discrimination I gather from what you say. So you really have no point of reference to start with. If you are oblivious to discrimination, you will never see it.
You got PA wrong. Nothing nice about it. And it wasn't directed at you to begin with, so I don't know why you're getting all worked up about it.

You have no idea what my experiences are. You keep guessing and you keep being wrong.
 
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It would be most refreshing if we all could stop "seeing color" and only perceive others as all made in the image of God.
It would be most refreshing if all sin were thing of the past, but it isn't ... so I lock my door, put on the alarm, guard my personal information, and avoid people and places where one is likely yo be judged by one's skin color. As much as humanly possible, anyway ...
 
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Did you read the article? The article made me want to read the book, and I thought others might think the same as I do? Do you not want people to read the book for some reason?
How would you be able to tell if the author sees things clearly or not ?

Why would it not be better to put my faith in my next-door neighbor ?
 
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