Refreshing...If There Were Only More Black Leaders Like This One...

[A_Thinker]

Whites are not faced with better choices than blacks. That's nonsense.

American whites (per capita) have more resources than African Americans. Always have had.

More resources allows for better choices ...

 

[rjs330]

A black mom confronted a school board regarding CRT. She stated CRT is "not teaching the truth, unless you believe that whites are better than blacks." She also said, "critical race theory, where children will be separated by their skin color and deemed permanently oppressors it oppresses in 2021."

She is so right. It is unacceptable. We are moving and have been since the Civil Rights toward a more perfect union. And now CRT wants to take us backwards.

Black mom confronts Florida Board of Ed. over ‘racist’ critical race theory: ‘Not teaching the truth, unless you believe that whites are better than blacks’

 

[rturner76]

I've experienced discrimination in the form of Affirmative Action. Many years ago I interviewed for a couple of government jobs. On 2 occasions, they hired a minority or "underrepresented" person. Follow-up calls to persons I knew who were involved in the hiring process told me specifically it was due to Affirmative Action. Well that sucked. But I moved on, found other, higher paying work.

You might want to check out Post #199 on my comment regarding PA and who it was directed at. I'll chalk it up as a misunderstanding on your part.

It's likely if they were forced to do it, they had already been discriminating and someone caught on to it, either within the company or without. I'm not an Affirmative Action fan because it gives people an excuse to say that's the only reason they got the job. "Must be an affirmative action hire."

Of course, it is up to the individual to overcome the obstacles that face them. What I'm getting at is some have more challenges and some never gained the tools they needed to make good choices and meet those challenges. I'm not trying to say that all of this is the fault of the white man, just that many poor blacks face significant challenges with discrimination being one.

 

[rturner76]

What facts am I ignoring? You keep claiming that, but haven't listed any.

Encyclopedia Britannica

 

[rturner76]

Whites are not faced with better choices than blacks. That's nonsense.

So black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods are exactly the same got it.

 

[rturner76]

I don't doubt that you have run across racist people. I know I have. I have seen white racists and black racists. My wife experienced heavy racism from black people. I know of others who have experienced the same thing.

So should we excoriate and condemn the entire black community for that? How about we teach in black schools how racist they are and how they should apologize for the racism and look in their own hearts to see how racist they really are?

We see now black people who are free to say "whites not allowed." And we see calls to kill white people.

We can come together and say all people are welcome and all people have opportunities to make good decisions and pursue success. There is nothing holding individuals back except individual choices. Can't we agree with that?

As soo as blacks have owned slave, we can talk about how racist they are.

We can agree that individual choices are the most important factor in the outcome of a person's life. Would you agree that some have it easier than others?

 

[SummerMadness]

So should we excoriate and condemn the entire black community for that? How about we teach in black schools how racist they are and how they should apologize for the racism and look in their own hearts to see how racist they really are?

No one teaches this, this is just a mischaracterization by those who dislike teaching about the racist past of the United States because it's not all talk of apple pie and freedom.

 

[rturner76]

A black mom confronted a school board regarding CRT. She stated CRT is "not teaching the truth, unless you believe that whites are better than blacks." She also said, "critical race theory, where children will be separated by their skin color and deemed permanently oppressors it oppresses in 2021."

She is so right. It is unacceptable. We are moving and have been since the Civil Rights toward a more perfect union. And now CRT wants to take us backwards.

Black mom confronts Florida Board of Ed. over ‘racist’ critical race theory: ‘Not teaching the truth, unless you believe that whites are better than blacks’

I agree that they shouldn't teach that whites are inherently racist. History is one thing. Saying "we need to not repeat this." is fine but "whites are stopping you from being what you want to be." isn't okay and I don't think it's a mainstream tenant of CF but if people are teaching that they should stop.

White folks need to start filing lawsuits when they are singled out. Civil Rights are for everybody, not just blacks. You can't discriminate against any color. Plus CF is a college-level subject. People need to be old enough to be able to debate the topic. In grade school, they just suck it up like a sponge.

 

[BigDaddy4]

This story is not believable because that would be illegal and you would have a legal case in court. Unless you're saying you would never bring such a case to trial, I wonder why, it's a slam dunk case. I guess if we take what you say at face value, but I've heard other such cases: one guy I knew claimed he applied for welfare online and when he put his race as white he was denied, he went back in again and selected his race as Black and all of a sudden he was approved. When I told him he has a legal case, he disappeared, something I suspect from this "government job" story.

Seems you may not know much about how Affirmative Action works. It's "legal" discrimination, especially for government entities. By promoting the hiring of minorities, etc. it is effectively discriminating against white males.

• Affirmative action policies attempt to enact change through various means such as requiring certain quotas are met when hiring, providing financial support in the form of grants and scholarships, and denying government funding and contracts to institutions that fail to meet the requisite criteria.

Affirmative Action

 

[rjs330]

A woman who survived Mao's genocide is warning us about CRT. She recognizes the Marxist theory behind the CRT and is warning us about the insidious problems with this theory.
She pointed out the actions that are similar to what is going on now.

"Growing up in Mao's China, all of this seems very familiar," Van Fleet, who fled from China at the age of 26, said. "The Communist regime used the same critical theory to divide people. The only difference is they used class instead of race."

"During the Cultural Revolution, I witnessed students and teachers turn against each other," Van Fleet, whose son graduated from Loudoun High School in 2015, added. "We changed school names to be politically correct."

https://www.theblaze.com/news/viriginia-woman-loudon-schools-race-theory

 

[BigDaddy4]

Do you think that categorizing people by race started because it was fun ... or because it allowed some people to claim systemic racism ?

C. None of the above.

 

[BigDaddy4]

It's likely if they were forced to do it, they had already been discriminating and someone caught on to it, either within the company or without. I'm not an Affirmative Action fan because it gives people an excuse to say that's the only reason they got the job. "Must be an affirmative action hire."

Of course, it is up to the individual to overcome the obstacles that face them. What I'm getting at is some have more challenges and some never gained the tools they needed to make good choices and meet those challenges. I'm not trying to say that all of this is the fault of the white man, just that many poor blacks face significant challenges with discrimination being one.

Except it wasn't at a company. It was a government job.

Poor people of all races in general have significant challenges to overcome. It's not limited to blacks, nor is it necessarily the blanket racism excuse. But it can be and has been done. The key, imo, is attitude.

Are the thousands of people at the US/Mexican border dying to get into America so they can experience racism? Or immigrants from any other country for that matter? No, they are looking for a chance at a better life than where they came from.

Someone posted an article in one of these threads that black immigrants from poor countries are more likely to succeed than resident US blacks who have been here for a few generations. Why can the black immigrants succeed where resident blacks can't? Can it have anything to do with attitudes and cultural expectations?

 

[rturner76]

I had a similar experience school, I was placed in a lower level by the teachers despite having good grades. I credit my teachers in the following year for seeing this because my school work was far above everyone else in the class. I realized that to succeed in school, I needed to ignore the teachers because that would just mean a headache. My usual thing was to take the textbooks, do all the assignments (it took about two or three months), then open my binder and hand in whatever they asked for. The thing is, I shouldn't have to do that.

I never thought of this. I thought teachers knew everything. I didn't know at the time that they were human beings who are not born perfect.

Can it have anything to do with attitudes and cultural expectations?

Yes, and many blacks don't expect as much and that's a problem. Like, I was never told "you can be anything you want to be." I was told more like you "better get what you can how you can." So many just fall through the cracks. I was lucky and I found a woman who I wanted to give a better life to, A lot of others don't have such motivation. What they see around them in bad areas is people either not succeeding or not following the rules of society. White people can't fix that. The government can't fix that. There has to be a renaissance in the black community and men and women need to start staying together.

 

[A_Thinker]

C. None of the above.

What is your answer c ?

 

[SummerMadness]

Seems you may not know much about how Affirmative Action works. It's "legal" discrimination, especially for government entities. By promoting the hiring of minorities, etc. it is effectively discriminating against white males.

• Affirmative action policies attempt to enact change through various means such as requiring certain quotas are met when hiring, providing financial support in the form of grants and scholarships, and denying government funding and contracts to institutions that fail to meet the requisite criteria.

Affirmative Action

You just claimed you applied for a job and was informed by a hiring manager that you were not given the job because you are a white male. You can take that to court..

However, now you seem to be saying something slightly different, which I suspect is the situation you mentioned did not actually happen, you just felt it happened.

 

[Ana the Ist]

This story is not believable because that would *snip*.

Because it would require you to believe racism occurs to everyone.

 

[Ana the Ist]

No one teaches this, this is just a mischaracterization by those who dislike teaching about the racist past of the United States because it's not all talk of apple pie and freedom.

Learn some facts...

Buffalo students told 'all white people play a part' in systemic racism

"According to one veteran teacher, who requested anonymity, Morrell’s training programs have pushed “radical politics” and, in practice, become a series of “scoldings, guilt-trips, and demands to demean oneself simply to make another feel ‘empowered.’” Teachers must submit to these “manipulative mind games” and express support for Morrell’s left-wing politics, or risk professional retaliation."

Racist educators pushing racist indoctrination. I can start posting the materials teachers are leaking, you can admit it's happening and it's wrong and stand against it, or you can try to defend these racists.

But let's not just pretend it's not happening.

 

[SummerMadness]

Someone posted an article in one of these threads that black immigrants from poor countries are more likely to succeed than resident US blacks who have been here for a few generations. Why can the black immigrants succeed where resident blacks can't? Can it have anything to do with attitudes and cultural expectations?

I remember that thread and the article posted did not say that at all. First, it wasn't a comparison of African immigrants to Black Americans. Second, the conclusion was that you can't treat African immigrants like a monolith. And finally, those who came from countries as refugees (e.g., from Somalia) fare worse and have higher levels of poverty than those who come from more developed countries (e.g., Nigeria).

Abel Chikanda & Julie Susanne Morris (2020): Assessing the integration outcomes of African immigrants in the United States, African Geographical Review, DOI: 10.1080/19376812.2020.1744455

African-born immigrants in the US come from diverse backgrounds, possess different characteristics and likewise integrate differently into the receiving societies. Therefore, viewing African immigrants as a single group masks the differences that are linked to the experiences of the immigrants prior to their departure from their home countries. Using the example of Nigerian- and Somali-born immigrants, the paper demonstrates differences in the way in which immigrants from different African countries are being incorporated into the American society. Even though the national level scale offers a convenient way of assessing how immigrants from various countries integrate into receiving societies, there is need to acknowledge the significant differences within individual immigrant populations. For instance, immigrants from the same country can be admitted into another country under different classes of entry. Thus, it is possible to have immigrants from one country immigrating to another as economic migrants, students, temporary workers or refugees. Such individuals possess different characteristics such as educational levels and language skills, all of which have a strong bearing on how they integrate into the receiving society. The study was based on aggregate data which made it impossible to identify the impact of factors such as race and gender on the integration of African immigrants and how this varies over time. The approach taken in this paper tends to generalize the experiences of the immigrants and future studies could follow up with qualitative-based research methods such as in-depth interviews that are better suited to understanding the experiences of different classes of immigrants.

Nonetheless, the paper sheds important insight on how immigrants from Africa are adjusting to life in the US. It demonstrates that African-born immigrants are one of the most economically active immigrant groups in the country. Relative either to the foreign-born population or the entire US population, African-born immigrants possess higher rates of post-secondary education as well as higher labor participation rates. However, when it comes to economic-based indicators such as household income and housing ownership, African-born immigrants lag significantly behind both the foreign-born population and the national average, which suggests that they face a number of structural barriers on the labor market. This has led to higher than normal rates of poverty within this population.

The situation is even worse for Somali-born immigrants who have poor education levels, occupy poor paying jobs and higher levels of poverty. It can be argued that Somali-born immigrants in the US carry a 'triple disadvantage' based on their race (black identity), their religion (Muslim identity) and their shorter immigration history. The Somali-born immigrants present a unique opportunity to study the obstacles that are faced by black Muslim immigrants in the American society. Future studies could seek to uncover the multiple ways in which this triple disadvantage impacts their integration into the American society, and the social structures which they draw upon for support.

Racial minorities and immigrants succeed in the United States; however, they should be even more successful. The fact that someone buys a home and gets a good-paying job does not mean there were no structural impediments to their success. For instance, if I am getting my house appraised, I shouldn't have to get my white friend to come to the house to get a better value. These things shouldn't happen, and they happen at high enough a rate that we know racial bias is still an issue in the country. People that point this out and move to correct these inequities are not "blaming whitey."

 

[rjs330]

American whites (per capita) have more resources than African Americans. Always have had.

More resources allows for better choices ...

What kinds of choices are you talking about?

 

[rjs330]

Encyclopedia Britannica

What facts in the Britannica am I ignoring?