Recovery from the occult forum - an explanation

[D'Ann]

I'm sorry to those that have been hurt by this.

I also apologize to anyone that I might of hurt or offended. I ask for your forgiveness and understanding.

I truly and sincerely believe that all of us have a sincere desire to reach out and help here. It is because we do care and in Christ, we do love.

 

[Lisa0315]

Boo !

I am SunMessenger what is the point of this post ?

What good does it do to continue in this thread. This has gone over the line.

I have to agree. I don't think Moriah's name has come up in 10 pages or more except in the context of her ability to minister other people.

Lisa

 

[D'Ann]

Totally agreeing with this.

Anytime you want to talk, I'm here for you via pm or if you want, we can talk on MSN too or YIM. Whatever way you are comfortable with.

 

[D'Ann]

Boo !

I am SunMessenger what is the point of this post ?

What good does it do to continue in this thread. This has gone over the line.

Sun,

She meant no harm.

 

[tkoman]

Actually, I think it is important and cannot be overlooked to ask this question - what is ministering? And does this definition differentiate from counselling, pastoral care, etc.?

 

[D'Ann]

Actually, I think it is important and cannot be overlooked to ask this question - what is ministering? And does this definition differentiate from counselling, pastoral care, etc.?

You answer 2BeCounted (I think that is him/her) questions and hopefully, someone will answer your question. (sort of kidding).

Ministering is counseling and guidance hopefully by a pastor/priest or someone trained in this area. Also in a basic way, we all can minister with our prayers and words of hope, faith and love and encouragement in Christ. Words of comfort... and did I mention.. prayers.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

Anytime you want to talk, I'm here for you via pm or if you want, we can talk on MSN too or YIM. Whatever way you are comfortable with.

I ask for the same forgiveness from those I may have hurt and offended and from Christ.

Amen.

 

[Time2BCounted]

But people seeking Christ..we should show them the way so he can bless him as he has blessed us? He forgives, why cant we?

~Blessed Be

Its not a matter of forgiveness. Moriah has done nothing to me personally and i have nothign personal against her. theres nothing to forgive that i can see. On the other hand, administrators of this board have 5 guidelines to go by, keeping this board within christian princlple. IMHO it is up to them to enforce these things or let us know why they arent.

As one who really does hope for people's deliverance, i see a need to question whether those still involved in the occult should even be considered as 'ministers', and if they are, i must ask again, since we can only give of that which we have, what would someone not even desireing deliverance, have on hand to 'give' or 'minister'?

 

[D'Ann]

I ask for the same forgiveness from those I may have hurt and offended and from Christ.

Amen.

I love this thread. I think in a odd way and a very good way, we all have come closer to each other. God truly does move in mysterious ways.

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[Time2BCounted]

I'm still having relations to the occult. I cant even describe how easy it would be to embrace the dark

However God is truly God, were He not, I would have let go. I left witchcraft behind me, however it still trys on a regular basis to force itself into my life

In what ways, if you dont mind me asking, are you still having relations with the occult?

 

[Lisa0315]

Sun,

She meant no harm.

Look, D. I understand all that. However, Moriah needs some limitations too. The whole sub forum is being created to see to her needs. That should not mean that she can come in and randomly be abusive and we have no recourse on that.

I am on Moriah's side in this. That still does not mean that she should have no boundaries when she is posting in the rest of the forum.

Lisa

 

[D'Ann]

In what ways, if you dont mind me asking, are you still having relations with the occult?

I believe she meant struggles. She is still working through things... please pray for her and others who are struggling and walking in her shoes. It is never easy to walk away from this world that she has walked away from.

I sincerely doubt that she is having relations with the occult that she worked desperately to get away from... but she is in great need of our encouragement and prayers... and our gentleness.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Its not a matter of forgiveness. Moriah has done nothing to me personally and i have nothign personal against her.

as it takes two parties to ratify such statements, i hereby indicate that there is no ratification of this statement. actions have spoken otherwise. Good evening.

 

[3girls2dogs]

Correct me if i am wrong, but Indrid Cold has listed his qualifications to minister, and his icon says he is a christian 'mystic'. I am still waiting for clarification as to what this is. So are you now saying indrid will not be a part of that forum or will not be ministering there? Also it was stated that moriah will be ministering under supervision... if moriah doesnt even desire deliverance as she has clearly stated, will you tell me exactly what it is she will be administering when she 'ministers' under supervision?

Those qualifications he listed (the Juliard thing and all) is just a quote from the movie Beetlejuice. One of my faves. I've seen it a million times. He was mockin us.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

Its not a matter of forgiveness. Moriah has done nothing to me personally and i have nothign personal against her. theres nothing to forgive that i can see. On the other hand, administrators of this board have 5 guidelines to go by, keeping this board within christian princlple. IMHO it is up to them to enforce these things or let us know why they arent.

As one who really does hope for people's deliverance, i see a need to question whether those still involved in the occult should even be considered as 'ministers', and if they are, i must ask again, since we can only give of that which we have, what would someone not even desireing deliverance, have on hand to 'give' or 'minister'?

But now I ask who do you think should help these people seeking Christ?

~Blessed Be.

 

[Auntie]

This is so absurd, it's unbelievable.

Moriah, and others, need to seek out a good mental health counselor, in real life. If anyone here truely cares for Moriah, and truely wants to help her, they will advise her to go offline, pick up the telephone, and make an appointment with a mental health counselor.

One on one counseling, in real life, face to face. That is the ONLY thing that will help.

The idea that this can be accomplished on a message board is insane.

Erwin's wife, to the best of my memory, is a Psychiatrist, for God's sake, he should ask his wife her opinion of this. I can guarentee you, his wife would pale at the suggestion of counseling over the Internet.

 

[D'Ann]

Look, D. I understand all that. However, Moriah needs some limitations too. The whole sub forum is being created to see to her needs. That should not mean that she can come in and randomly be abusive and we have no recourse on that.

I am on Moriah's side in this. That still does not mean that she should have no boundaries when she is posting in the rest of the forum.

Lisa

I understand what you are saying... but until that forum is created and until her needs are meant... I believe that yes... we need to have boundaries in place... but can we please add compassion to being part of our boundaries... and of course, part of the compassion is to gently and lovingly share Jesus with her.

She was not being abusive. She was under the impression that we all were being abusive and I find that sometimes with a little gentleness and a little sense of humor, it might help her to see that we are not throwing stones at her or being unkind to her.

Believe me Lisa... we are on the same side here.

At first, you have no idea the thoughts that were running through my pea brain mind... when this thread first started and I'm grateful that I read through the posts that had been posted prior to posting.

I don't understand a lot of things, I'm not an intellectual person... or spiritually gifted person... but I do understand pain and struggle and the need for prayers and the need to help others in Christ as I'm sure you and others here also do and understand.

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Also it was stated that moriah will be ministering under supervision... if moriah doesnt even desire deliverance as she has clearly stated, will you tell me exactly what it is she will be administering when she 'ministers' under supervision?

whomever stated that was entirely in error. "Moriah" will NOT be "ministering" AT ALL. Moriah is there as a "client member" (read Wiki for definition thereof)

 

[Time2BCounted]

Actually, I think it is important and cannot be overlooked to ask this question - what is ministering? And does this definition differentiate from counselling, pastoral care, etc.?

Indrid

Please know i respect your candor, and thank you for it. I hope you feel as i do there is nothing personal between us in any adverse feeling.

I dont question your ability to council at all. I do though question the type of councelling this board condones, and being built on 5 christian principles, i can only see counciling from someone still possibly invvolved with occultish activities, on a board that esteems the christian principles, not condoning that which is against Christ, this becomes an important issue, because either these 5 principles mean something, or they are only window dressing.

You ask an excellent question, "what is ministering"?

Ministering is 'giving', nothing more nothing less.

If you dont have a million bucks in the bank, how can you write me a good check for a million?

To 'minister' is to 'ADMINISTER' what you have on hand to give to a certain situaiton.

If one has Christ they can minister Christ. If one doesnt have Christ they cannot minister Christ.

If one has association with the occult this too is all they can give, from their particular standpoint. So how is giving that which promotes evil according to Christ, ministering 'good' and not breaking the laws of our guidelines?

For the good of those truly trying to escape it, i believe we need to insure they arent ministered to by those who dont share the same desire to escape it. Lets admit at least there could be conflicting interests at work, and losing a single soul is certainly not wirth that risk.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Okay, now THAT made me smile.
(the levity is appreciated)

CaDan is a good egg.