Recovery from the occult forum - an explanation

[Sylvanspirits]

My daughters have their own website that has a lot of role playing.

Grandmas can be a bit rough, but they love us unconditionally too, but in a different way then moms.

I think your mom would be so happy that you confided and opened up to her. We moms worry a lot about our young ones. We trust them, it's the world that we worry about.

Your avatar is fine. Dungeons and Dragons is fine too.... like all things... in moderation.

I'll keep your mom and you in my prayers that all goes well.

God's Peace,

Deb

Thanks for talking with me. God bless.

 

[CaDan]

I would like to know, who is slated as those able to 'minister' within that forum. Where can we see this info?

A young priest and an old priest . . . .

 

[D'Ann]

Offering a listening ear, and listening with out judgment and condemnation, validating feelings and acknowledging that a person has the right to feel, are some of the most powerful things that a spirit filled Christian can do

It was through doing that, people on this forum have helped me get into a place where I can consider darkening the doors of a church without being scared

Amen.

Thanks for talking with me. God bless.

Thanks for taking a chance and talking too. It's never easy to share things on the internet. It was nice to talk with you.

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[D'Ann]

A young priest and an old priest . . . .

Huh? Fr. Rick, is he the old priest or young priest. Who is the other priest.

I think BelindaP will be helping with counseling in this new forum as well. That is a good thing.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Quite honestly the issue hasn't come up, but to clarify I am considered a "friend" of the board, and since it is fledgling not sure exactly where I "stand" per se, so a few people tongue in cheeked me as a "lay minister" there. BUT, the reality is that I have befriended members there, quite honestly and without external motives. Hence, a friend of the board.

I also have made myself publically known here as a friend of the forum, whatever its ultimate fate is, that is where I am at today. I do not wish to be "hidden" or anything else, but what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas as far as the rules there.

I honestly want to see this worked out - there is a lot of criticism here, without much solution. Cases have been made both ways - this is not easy.

I will answer your question, but I would like to see the pastoral team chime in - frankly I was not a player in the making of this forum, I was invited due to pre-existing relationships. I was not aware that there would be such resistance from that group and they are key players. This may not all matter, but if it does down the road then I will be happy to address it. If it freaks anyone out or if they think I am evasive then I will kick it around a little later when I have more time.

Thank you Indrid for addressing the question at least. I must admit when you mention sounding evasive, i do feel you have kiinda sidestepped the question. I do realize it may be a hard one to answer publicly, given the nature of the question and a considering a good portion of people you are addressing here might be opposed to the answer.

I truly dont ask it in a harsh way or anything hateful... IF people attempting to escate the occult are to receive councelling however, i am of the mindset that says those still practicing in any way, are not fit to 'help them escape'. For this reason i am against moriah councelling, and nothing personal at all, but my convictions cause me to question whether or not you should.

Would you mind explaining for clarification, how are you a christian AND a mystic... what 'mysticism' do you practice and how would you say this is compatible with christianity, and IS THIS promoting things that are against Christ as per the 5 standards of this board?

Thank you for understanding this is not a personal attack, but rather serious spiritual concern for people who are to be counciled here

 

[EbonNelumbo]

This type of secret forum between believers is not even biblical:


Galatians 6:2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Ephesians 5:12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."

The type of actions I've seen directed at Moriah, and all others involved with this forum, isn't biblical.

The last twelve pages (for me, being that I have 40pp) regarding this new area makes it clear why it should remain private.

 

[Time2BCounted]

The type of actions I've seen directed at Moriah, and all others involved with this forum, isn't biblical.

The last twelve pages (for me, being that I have 40pp) regarding this new area makes it clear why it should remain private.

By this do you mean we shouldnt ask why its being said moriah will be ministering, and that we cant or shouldnt question those who may still be associated with occultish activities, who are supposedly there to help people escape the occult?

I see no uncivility toward anyone, and certainly feel none myself, i hope the best for all. But if those still active in it are to be ministering, i see no deliverance, but a possible snare to keep those who are lost, lost.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

I already have read what the demons say when speaking through her. That was MY choice. Granted, it could be considered disturbing. I did do just what you said - praying fervantly once - and she thanked me for it after things were a bit calmer. Please don't blame Moriah for any of this, as I would prefer to take the blame for my actions if they are seen as wrong.

I salute you for stepping up though. It is frightening, and you may be untrained. But Love is not something you can train. But I understand their concerns as well. But good job unto you for still trying.

~Blessed Be.

 

[Tychicus2]

Giving anyone who claims to be possessed by a demon control of the rules and membership of any forum is a bad idea. Let's consider three scenarios:

1. If she is in fact possessed, you're giving over control of a forum to a person possessed by a demon.
2. If she is not possessed and thinks she is, you're giving over control a forum to a person with intense psychological delusions who thinks she is possessed by an evil spirit and capable of anything.
3. If she is not possessed and knows she's not but says she is, you're giving over control of a forum to someone who is lying, probably to mess with us.

Apart from the specific individual given control, there are other issues here. I don't think it's wise for an Internet web site to be getting involved in dealing with the occult. Seriously, leave it to the professionals. These folks are in need of a priest or a doctor, not a bunch of amateur Internet religious commentators who post to message forums as a hobby.

It is hubris to assume we're qualified to deal with this sort of thing. If folks need help recovering from something like this, they should see a priest, a psychologist, a real-life supervised support group -- maybe all of the above. We're going to make things worse rather than better more often than not with this sort of concept.

Moreover, it's inevitably going to attract folks trying to draw people into the occult and so forth. I'm not always sure what I think about religion and Christianity, and heaven and hell, and so forth; but I can tell you this: If demons are out there and possessing people and this poster is what she claims, I would highly suspect Erwin was tricked into creating this forum for the demon's own ends. What do demons and Satan do in scripture? They lie and manipulate good people to bad ends. Something to consider.

It's best for the site as a whole just to stay away from this stuff. It's not a mission for an Internet site.

This post deserves to be read again I think...

Here..

God Bless,

Ty

 

[BelindaP]

Huh? Fr. Rick, is he the old priest or young priest. Who is the other priest.

I think BelindaP will be helping with counseling in this new forum as well. That is a good thing.

Father Rick is an Old Catholic priest. I'm not sure of his age, but I know he's not terribly young.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

Father Rick is an Old Catholic priest. I'm not sure of his age, but I know he's not terribly young.

According to his profile he's 36.

 

[EbonNelumbo]

By this do you mean we shouldnt ask why its being said moriah will be ministering, and that we cant or shouldnt question those who may still be associated with occultish activities, who are supposedly there to help people escape the occult?

I specifically said "and others", rather, not just Moriah. For that notation, this is my point, even my statement was clear that it was for her, and all others associated with this, she is still the target.

I mean nothing more than what I said.

It's summed up in Matthew7:1, for all whom have stated their 'peace' on anyone else's salvation or righteousness:
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

 

[Time2BCounted]

So how many who are still involved in occultic activities are going to be members or ministering there?

So far i see 2 from everything thats been said.

I would also like to ask how this is not breaking one of the 5 principles of this board in allowing that which is against Christ.

 

[D'Ann]

Father Rick is an Old Catholic priest. I'm not sure of his age, but I know he's not terribly young.

That makes sense. Thanks

According to his profile he's 36.

That is young to me (not that I'm old). LOL hehe Thanks

 

[GreenMunchkin]

The last twelve pages (for me, being that I have 40pp) regarding this new area makes it clear why it should remain private.

Hiya, love Have you seen rudeness? Am sorry if there's been any. It hasn't felt antagonistic in any way... I hope no-one's feelings are being hurt by this thread. It seemed to have become one of learning, and trying to understand and hugs more than anything else?

 

[Time2BCounted]

The correct rendering is do not condemn.

I do not condemn moriah or indrid or anyone. I am however opposed to them ministering to anyone given possibly attatchments to the occult still. Also given clear statements that no deliverance is desired. Also giving the fact that she didnt stop posting on occultish boards until the time it was proposed she have her own forum here.

I am simply opposed to things being done in silence, enough of that has gone on here and enough promices have been just clearly broken. I would like an administrative judgement on HOW allowing those in the occult to minister to those seeking recovery is not breaking the 5 principles which include promotion of anything against Christ. I think as christians and as people depending on the promices concerning these 5 principles which are promised to us, we have not only the right but the obligation to ask these things. Otherwise the principles mean not a thing and are only window dressing to appease those of us who believe and stand on the word imho.

 

[BelindaP]

So how many who are still involved in occultic activities are going to be members or ministering there?

So far i see 2 from everything thats been said.

I would also like to ask how this is not breaking one of the 5 principles of this board in allowing that which is against Christ.

Right now there are three recovering members. However, I know of a few more who would like access.

The forum doesn't violate the five principles. Yes, there are going to be posts that challenge God, but they will not go unanswered.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

Hiya, love Have you seen rudeness? Am sorry if there's been any. It hasn't felt antagonistic in any way... I hope no-one's feelings are being hurt by this thread. It seemed to have become one of learning, and trying to understand and hugs more than anything else?

Theres been moments of sting I am sure we have all felt in one moment or another. But this is the most civil thread I have seen. And being somewhat active in it I have seen such great people. In a way I am glad this thread exists because its bringing a lot of us together. IMO.

~Blessed Be.

 

[Tenebrae]

Hiya, love Have you seen rudeness? Am sorry if there's been any. It hasn't felt antagonistic in any way... I hope no-one's feelings are being hurt by this thread. It seemed to have become one of learning, and trying to understand and hugs more than anything else?

In all honesty this experience has been like hit by a bus, not just hit by the bus, but having it run me over several times

 

[3girls2dogs]

Right now there are three recovering members. However, I know of a few more who would like access.

The forum doesn't violate the five principles. Yes, there are going to be posts that challenge God, but they will not go unanswered.

I beg to differ on this, Belinda.

Section 1.4 of the first principle reads as such:

1.4 No forum (with the exception of the teen forums) will restrict entry or participation based upon a member's religious beliefs or lack thereof. Members are expected to obey all of a forum’s rules while posting there.