Reconciled to God while enemies !

[WilliamK76]

Here’s one that’s sure to give cognitive dissonance to the self-righteous lol:

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

 

[zoidar]

From the beginning that kind of logic and deception has been used to trick Eve, Adam, and multitudes every generation.

As written clearly , for some number unknown but greater than one,
those/or he/ or she/ exists for whom there "no longer remains any sacrifice for sin"...

.... so for them, only a terrifying judgment at the resurrection .

"No longer remains any sacrifice for sin" must mean there was a sacrifice for their sins, right?

 

[Brightfame52]

The Gospel Call of Reconciliation !

2 Cor 5:19-20

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

The Gospel Call of Reconciliation in 2 Cor 5:20 " be ye reconciled to God" in the greek this is a command, an imperative, and it is also in the passive voice, meaning quite frankly the command is instrumental in actually reconciling those the summons is issued to, and this command is not to all men without exception, as false teachers that lie, would have us believe, but it is only to those that belong to that world before in Vs 19, that had not its trespasses imputed to them, and hence a forgiven world, a redeemed world ! And the OT confirmation of this premise is here Isa 43:25;44:22

25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

Or it can very well say, be reconciled to me Ye were reconciled to me by the Death of My Son Rom 5:10 !

Clearly Remission of sins is the foundation for the imperative, return unto me, which is but the OT counterpart for "be ye reconciled to God" and both appeals are made upon the doing away of their sins before God's Sight !

Those trespasses that were not imputed to that World in 2 Cor 5:19 were done away with by the Lamb of God Jn 1:29 ! And it is to them only, the Call goes out '"Be ye reconciled to God " !

 

[BBAS 64]

And?? You think that He's not speaking of a universal truth?

Good day,

I sure do as it relates to the nature of Jesus' relationship to His Church. That is why the letter is written to the Church.

In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

You also need to prove Jesus death wasn't the atonement for everyone's sin in the world. Just one verse saying Jesus death wasn't for a person will do or that his death was only for these people.

I accept no false dichotomy, like Christ died for his Church, therefore he didn't die for anyone outside the Church.

Good day,

This would be better know as an necessary inference...

If the premise is factual that Christ died for his church, then the conclusion is equally as factually true, he did not die for anyone outside of the Church.

He loved the Church so much he died for her... and only her (exclusively)

In Him,

Bill

 

[zoidar]

Good day,

This would be better know as an necessary inference...

If the premise is factual that Christ died for his church, then the conclusion is equally as factually true, he did not die for anyone outside of the Church.

He loved the Church so much he died for her... and only her (exclusively)

In Him,

Bill

How is it a necessary inference? Does it say Christ died only for the Church?

In my Bible it says God loved the world (John 3:16).

Edit: I do have to admit I don't think this is the best argument against Limited/particular atonement. Though I still say it's a false dichotomy. A better argument IMO is Christ died for the Church which any person can be part of.

 

[Brightfame52]

Reconciliation is available to all men. We embrace it by faith. Paul was speaking to believers.

False teaching, scripture doesnt teach that. Those Christ died for were reconciled to God by His death, thats what scripture teaches.

 

[dwb001]

False teaching, scripture doesnt teach that. Those Christ died for were reconciled to god by His death, thats what scripture teaches.

How bout both of you start including the Biblical references you are working off of.

 

[Brightfame52]

You also need to prove Jesus death wasn't the atonement for everyone's sin in the world. Just one verse saying Jesus death wasn't for a person will do or that his death was only for these people.

I accept no false dichotomy, like Christ died for his Church, therefore he didn't die for anyone outside the Church.

Im not able to prove Spiritual Truth to you, thats above my pay grade, However I can witness the Truth to you, that sinners Christ died for are legally saved, forgiven, Justified by God while they are yet unbelieving enemies. Read Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now being reconciled to God in scripture means God doesnt impute sin to the sinners Christ died for 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now if you dont believe this witness, you are yet in unbelief !

 

[Brightfame52]

How bout both of you start including the Biblical references you are working off of.

I already have, Rom 5:10 have not you paid attention ? Obviously not

 

[Brightfame52]

@BBAS 64

This would be better know as an necessary inference...

Correct, since we know all are not reconciled to God, but under His condemnation and wrath.

 

[dwb001]

I already have, Rom 5:10 have not you paid attention ? Obviously not

No... I have not.

And that text is not in either of your favors. That text does not say what either of you are saying.

That would be why I naturally assumed that you were using different references.

 

[Brightfame52]

No... I have not.

And that text is not in either of your favors. That text does not say what either of you are saying.

That would be why I naturally assumed that you were using different references.

Of course its in my favor, you just dont see it.

 

[dwb001]

Of course its in my favor, you just dont see it.

It does not say what either if you are saying. Sorry. Pick another verse maybe.

 

[fhansen]

Good day,

I sure do as it relates to the nature of Jesus' relationship to His Church. That is why the letter is written to the Church.

In Him,

Bill

Ok-and the Church is made up of those who open the door to Him-anyone who opens that door instead of keeping it closed.

 

[fhansen]

False teaching, scripture doesnt teach that. Those Christ died for were reconciled to God by His death, thats what scripture teaches.

Scripture teaches that God wants all to be saved, and that we must choose. Anything more is speculation, presumption.

 

[Brightfame52]

It does not say what either if you are saying. Sorry. Pick another verse maybe.

Sure it does, but you cant see it.

 

[Brightfame52]

Scripture teaches that God wants all to be saved, and that we must choose. Anything more is speculation, presumption.

More false teaching, Christs death actually reconciled to God them He died for Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[dwb001]

Sure it does, but you cant see it.

No it doesn't.

 

[Brightfame52]

No it doesn't.

Since thats your best shot, I rest my case