Reconciled to God while enemies !

[Brightfame52]

Received into His Favor !

Those sinners Christ died for, by His Death alone having been applied to their account, even while being enemies/unbelievers [by nature Eph 2:2-3], nevertheless they have been received into His Divine Favor, having been reconciled by His Sons Death for them Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Paul writing to believers states that when they were unbelievers/enemies they were [had been] reconciled to God, not by believing, but by the Death of Gods Son. Now that word reconciled is the greek word katallassó and one of its meanings is:

to return into favor with, be reconciled to, , to receive one into his favor.

This is what Christ's Death for them alone accomplished, it put those Christ, the Son of God, died for, it put them into Gods Favor, the Psalmist wrote Ps 30:5

For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

Now how can sinners in a state of being unbelievers/enemies still be reconciled to God, and received into His Divine Favor ? Its because of what Christ's Death done before Gods Law and Justice ! 14

 

[Brightfame52]

Received into His favor 2

When sinners are reconciled to God while they are enemies by Christ death Rom 5:10, they have been received into Gods divine favor. Now this can only be possible if their sins have already been put away and they're remembered no more Heb 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

This is also them whom God will not charge or impute sin 2 Cor 5:19 and Rom 4:8

So them that have been reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers have no sin charged against them , or they could not have been reconciled into Gods divine favor.

 

[Brightfame52]

It presents us , those he died for, holy, and unblameable and unreprovable in his sight.

That is the True result of being reconciled to God by Christ death while being enemies Rom 5:10, Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

This result comes through His Death, not by Faith, for vs 22a makes that clear.

 

[John Mullally]

It presents us , those he died for, holy, and unblameable and unreprovable in his sight.

That is the True result of being reconciled to God by Christ death while being enemies Rom 5:10, Col 1:21-22
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

This result comes through His Death, not by Faith, for vs 22a makes that clear.

The first line of the statement above, where you say that Christ died for some is Calvinism and not Bible. I have tried to convey that to you many times with arguments that you did not address. The Bible says that Christ died for all (1 John 2:1-2, 1 Timothy 2:6, Romans 5:18. 2 Corinthians 5:14-15).

Calvin (and arguably Augustine) introduces fatalism into Christianity. Calvin asserts that God picks His favorites from eternity past and to hell with everyone else and there is nothing the reprobate can do to change that, and why would they since Calvin says God controls our will. No God is love (1 John 4:8), God is Holy, and He does not predispose anyone to damnation (John 3:14-18).

“We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, –that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)​

In conflict to Calvin: How can Paul declare that God is the savior of all people in 1 Timothy 4:10 when many cannot make Him savior as God many predestined (which I don't believe applies to individuals) to hell.

Beware of Acts 19:28 . and Matthew 23:15.

 

[Brightfame52]

Being reconciled by Christ death while being enemies Rom 5:10 coincides with being made righteous with Christ death while being enemies Rom 5:19! We can be reconciled to a Holy only if He views and accepts, reckons us righteous!

And since the sacred testimony is that believers had been reconciled to God by Christ death while being enemies, it's also true that they were declared righteous before God by Christ death while they were being enemies!14

 

[Brightfame52]

The first line of the statement above, where you say that Christ died for some is Calvinism and not Bible. I have tried to convey that to you many times with arguments that you did not address. The Bible says that Christ died for all (1 John 2:1-2, 1 Timothy 2:6, Romans 5:18. 2 Corinthians 5:14-15).

Calvin (and arguably Augustine) introduces fatalism into Christianity. Calvin asserts that God picks His favorites from eternity past and to hell with everyone else and there is nothing the reprobate can do to change that, and why would they since Calvin says God controls our will. No God is love (1 John 4:8), God is Holy, and He does not predispose anyone to damnation (John 3:14-18).

“We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, –that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8)​

In conflict to Calvin: How can Paul declare that God is the savior of all people in 1 Timothy 4:10 when many cannot make Him savior as God many predestined (which I don't believe applies to individuals) to hell.

Beware of Acts 19:28 . and Matthew 23:15.

Its simple, Christ died for them that by His death they are presented before God Holy and Unblameable Col 1:22

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Now are all people without exception going to be presented in Gods sight holy, without blame and unreprovable ? NO so Christ didnt die for them who dont. Unless you doubt /disbelieve the effects of Christs death.

 

[Brightfame52]

Those who are reconciled to God while they are being enemies
Per Rom5:10, are also Justified before God at the same while being enemies, because Gods Justice
Shall not charge them with sin, hence Justified from all their sins while unbelieving enemies.

 

[Brightfame52]

The Mystery of Reconciliation !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This blessed reconciliation by Christ's death is a Mystery unto the carnal mind, it cannot be received by it, hence confirming the writing of Paul 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The natural man is simply the person who has not been born again, or born from above Jn 3:3

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

You see, the Mystery of Reconciliation, by the Death of Christ, reveals to the saved, that even while they are being enemies, they had been reconciled to God, put into a right relationship with Him !

They were at one ment with God ! In fact, to be reconciled to God is at one ment, from the word atonement as its mentioned in Vs 11 Rom 5:10-11

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

That word atonement is reconciliation, and so when sinners Christ died for are still enemies by nature, children of wrath as others Eph 2:2-3 they are nevertheless in an reconciled at one ment relationship with God, while all others are under His just condemnation and wrath Jn 3:18,36.

This the natural mind of man cannot fathom, or appreciate, in fact its absolute foolishness to him !

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[Brightfame52]

The Mystery of Reconciliation !2

Another thing about reconciliation that is an Mystery to the natural man and foolishness, is this, those reconciled to God while being enemies Rom 5:10 , dont have their sins imputed to them as other people do . Check this out 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

See , reconciliation means that the reconciled do not have their sins imputed or charged to them, a whole world of people, jews and gentiles. All the sins the reconciled commit, from birth to the grave, can never be imputed to them. Its not even possible for those reconciled to God to ever die in their sins !

 

[Brightfame52]

The Mystery of Reconciliation !3

Another Mystery of Reconciliation, even while the reconciled are being enemies Rom 5:10, and not having their sins charged to them 2 Cor 5:19, is the fact that they are counted righteous ! Yes, God hath imputed righteousness to them without works !

This is seen by scripture comparison. The reconciled dont have their sins imputed to them 2 Cor 5:19 and as such they are forgiven Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.


2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Pay attention to holy writ here. Transgression are forgiven, their sins are covered, when the Lord imputeth not iniquity Ps 32:2;2 Cor 5:19

Now pay close attention when Paul quotes David here in Rom 4, here goes Rom 4:6-8


6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.



8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

,See that ? Even though Rom 4:6 isnt in the Ps 32 quote, nevertheless the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write it here in Romans, when Paul goes back to David to quote Ps 32:1-2, showing therefore, that them blessed ones who dont have sin imputed to them, are forgiven as well as have Righteousness imputed them without works, without them doing anything, without any action from them whatsoever !

So the reconciled are righteous !

So, technically speaking, the world of 2 Cor 5:19 is a Righteous world ! 15

 

[Brightfame52]

Now in order for those Christ died for to be reconciled to God BY HIS DEATH, while they are yet enemies Rom 5:10, there must have been an application of the cleansing blood to their account, while they were still in unbelief, because without the taking away of sin by the blood/death of Christ, there's no reconciliation !

Remember, Jesus passed up into the heavens after He died and ascended as the High Priest of His People Heb 4:14

Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

And as High Priest He performs the sprinkling of the blood, that is, He applies it to account of those sinners He died for. Isaiah writing of Christ as High Priest Isa 52:13-15

13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Heb 12:24

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

1 Pet 1:2

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Now those He died for, He put away their sin before God Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself [His death/blood].


So that's how those Christ died for are reconciled to God even as in themselves they are yet enemies/unbelievers !
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[Brightfame52]

The Mystery of Reconciliation ! 4

Another Mystery about biblical reconciliation by the death of Christ, which the natural mind cant understand, it is the fact, that those sinners Christ died for, and reconciled to God, even while they are being enemies, they have peace with God, God is at peace with them. Col 1:19-21

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

God has been reconciled and peace restored to all sinners Christ shed His Blood for, even when they are enemies !

The Blood of His Cross accomplished this for them, not anything they did or will do !

And we know this isn't true of all mankind since many are under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36 ; Rom 1:18, which can only mean Christ's Blood was not shed for them !

 

[zoidar]

The Mystery of Reconciliation ! 4

Another Mystery about biblical reconciliation by the death of Christ, which the natural mind cant understand, it is the fact, that those sinners Christ died for, and reconciled to God, even while they are being enemies, they have peace with God, God is at peace with them. Col 1:19-21

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

God has been reconciled and peace restored to all sinners Christ shed His Blood for, even when they are enemies !

The Blood of His Cross accomplished this for them, not anything they did or will do !

And we know this isn't true of all mankind since many are under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36 ; Rom 1:18, which can only mean Christ's Blood was not shed for them !

The mysteries you are talking about don't exist. You repent and are reconciled, there is no mystery to that.

However, God's mercy is unfathomable, to give His own son as a sacrifice for mankind that whoever, no matter how grave the sin, can be forgiven and receive sonship. God is an awesome God! ✝️

From your view God can only forgive the elect. The truth is God can forgive whoever, the fact that all don't repent doesn't change the fact that God CAN forgive them. From your view God can't forgive the reprobate since Jesus wasn't punished for their sins. A highly problematic view.

God bless!

 

[Brightfame52]

The mysteries you are talking about don't exist. You repent and are reconciled, there is no mystery to that.

However, God's mercy is unfathomable, to give His own son as a sacrifice for mankind that whoever, no matter how grave the sin, can be forgiven and receive sonship. God is an awesome God! ✝️

From your view God can only forgive the elect. The truth is God can forgive whoever, the fact that all don't repent doesn't change the fact that God CAN forgive them. From your view God can't forgive the reprobate since Jesus wasn't punished for their sins. A highly problematic view.

God bless!

False teaching, denying the reconciling death of Christ.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

I agree completely, except, (and you may want to rephrase it, because) there are many elect who are not yet born again. They are still at enmity with God. The problem shows in the verb tense you use: "All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled..."

 

[Mark Quayle]

False teaching, denying the reconciling death of Christ.

From experience, I can tell you that when he is contending, @zoidar is not contentious. He deserves some respect. Show him how that denies the reconciling death of Christ.

 

[Brightfame52]

I agree completely, except, (and you may want to rephrase it, because) there are many elect who are not yet born again. They are still at enmity with God. The problem shows in the verb tense you use: "All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled..."

It doesnt matter if they havent been born again yet, they still have been reconciled to God by Christs death.

 

[Mark Quayle]

It doesnt matter if they havent been born again yet, they still have been reconciled to God by Christs death.

You have a point in that God doesn't see time as we do. But, as far as temporal sequence, they are not reconciled if they are still at enmity, no? Romans 5 deals with this. We are now reconciled (verse 11) through the death of God's Son, and at peace with God because we have been justified by faith.

Granted, the "now" of verse 11 can be about causal, logical, result of the chapter 4 issues spoken of before it, rather than about a time sequence. And I don't have an issue with you, here. Christ's sacrifice justifies us by faith, and it was completed in the past. In that sense, we were indeed reconciled in the past.

Can't help but grin, though. Sometimes the way we must organize what God sees from his point of view (I'm pretty sure) as a done deal, is kind of funny.


The big point here, on which I'm thinking at least all of us of a Calvinistic bent agree, is that this is GOD'S doing, and all of grace. Not of our doing.

 

[zoidar]

You have a point in that God doesn't see time as we do. But, as far as temporal sequence, they are not reconciled if they are still at enmity, no? Romans 5 deals with this. We are now reconciled (verse 11) through the death of God's Son, and at peace with God because we have been justified by faith.

Thank you! That's what I have been trying to say.

 

[Mark Quayle]

The Mystery of Reconciliation ! 4

Another Mystery about biblical reconciliation by the death of Christ, which the natural mind cant understand, it is the fact, that those sinners Christ died for, and reconciled to God, even while they are being enemies, they have peace with God, God is at peace with them. Col 1:19-21

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

God has been reconciled and peace restored to all sinners Christ shed His Blood for, even when they are enemies !

The Blood of His Cross accomplished this for them, not anything they did or will do !

And we know this isn't true of all mankind since many are under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36 ; Rom 1:18, which can only mean Christ's Blood was not shed for them !

I'm not saying that it isn't a mystery, but you keep repeating that phrase ("Mystery of Reconciliation") as if it says it like that in the Bible. Were you hearing that in your mind when it says, "Ministry of Reconciliation"?