Reconciled to God while enemies !

[John Mullally]

You have a problem with the word of God They for whom Christ died were reconciled to God by His Death even while being enemies Rom 5:10

Thats your denial of the word of God

Have you considered that it may be the other way around, where you deny scripture? Other's provide counter-arguments with scripture backing and you generally respond by repeating yourself and/or saying your opponent denies scripture, You rarely address the counter-arguments. How about addressing counter-arguments to show how other's are wrong?

Even when the devil presents scripture to Jesus (Matthew 4:1-11), Jesus answered from other scripture.

 

[Brightfame52]

Reconciliation equals Justification, declared Righteous !

Many out of spiritual ignorance do deny that reconciliation and Justification are equivalent, because they are ignorant to the things of God. Now to be reconciled to God while being enemies [before faith] as stated in Rom 5:10, that it also means they are Justified/Declared Righteous while enemies by the same Death of Christ is seen in scripture comparison, for the being reconciled in Rom 5:10 is the same in 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

But here in 2 Cor 5:19 we are enlightened as to what being reconciled entails, the Non Imputation of sins ! So those reconciled while enemies in Rom 5:10 also are blessed with the non imputation of sins. Now the non imputation of sins equates to Justification and or being declared Righteous, this we know by more scripture comparison, for when David wrote Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

The same non imputation as in 2 Cor 5:19 which is joined to reconciliation, hence when Paul quotes David later from Ps 32:1-2, which clearly speaks of Non Imputation, here in Rom 4:6-8

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


Paul attaches Gods Imputation of Righteousness without works, by stating and quoting Davids non imputation of sin blessedness Rom 4:7-8 Cp Ps 32:1-2

So its scriptural to declare, those reconciled to God while enemies in Rom 5:10, have no sin imputed to them as Per 2 Cor 5:19, which declares them Righteous without works in Rom 4:6-8 ! To deny this is to deny scripture Truth. To deny that those reconciled to God by Christ's death while enemies as Per Rom 5:10 that they are Righteous and Justified before God while enemies, is to deny clear teaching of scripture and puts one in Unbelief ! 11

 

[zoidar]

Reconciliation equals Justification, declared Righteous !

Many out of spiritual ignorance do deny that reconciliation and Justification are equivalent, because they are ignorant to the things of God. Now to be reconciled to God while being enemies [before faith] as stated in Rom 5:10, that it also means they are Justified/Declared Righteous while enemies by the same Death of Christ is seen in scripture comparison, for the being reconciled in Rom 5:10 is the same in 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

But here in 2 Cor 5:19 we are enlightened as to what being reconciled entails, the Non Imputation of sins ! So those reconciled while enemies in Rom 5:10 also are blessed with the non imputation of sins. Now the non imputation of sins equates to Justification and or being declared Righteous, this we know by more scripture comparison, for when David wrote Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

The same non imputation as in 2 Cor 5:19 which is joined to reconciliation, hence when Paul quotes David later from Ps 32:1-2, which clearly speaks of Non Imputation, here in Rom 4:6-8

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


Paul attaches Gods Imputation of Righteousness without works, by stating and quoting Davids non imputation of sin blessedness Rom 4:7-8 Cp Ps 32:1-2

So its scriptural to declare, those reconciled to God while enemies in Rom 5:10, have no sin imputed to them as Per 2 Cor 5:19, which declares them Righteous without works in Rom 4:6-8 ! To deny this is to deny scripture Truth. To deny that those reconciled to God by Christ's death while enemies as Per Rom 5:10 that they are Righteous and Justified before God while enemies, is to deny clear teaching of scripture and puts one in Unbelief ! 11

I hope you are not saying faith is a work.

 

[Brightfame52]

By Christ's Death we are accepted of God !

This is that Blessed Truth of Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This teaches us a very blessed and gracious Truth, which the proud religionists cannot receive, and that is, even when those Christ died for are being enemies, unbelievers, ungodly, God has accepted them into His Favor, sees them as Just, and Righteous, and reckons them as if they never had sinned.

The word reconciled in Rom 5:10 is the greek word katallassō and means:

I.to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value

A.to reconcile (those who are at variance)


B.return to favour with, be reconciled to one


C.to receive one into favour

And these have been Justified, which are reconciled while enemies because God will not impute sin unto them 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So those reconciled here in 2 Cor 5:19 are the same ones of Rom 5:10 and so the reconciled enemies in Rom 5:10 dont have sin charged to them, even when they are unbelieving enemies, nor is faith and repentance required, no they are totally accepted of God without them,

So to teach, even suggest that any for whom Christ died[He did not die for everyone] must first come to Him in repentance in order to be accepted of God, saved or Justified before God, made right with Him, they are false witnesses, and scripture here Rom 5:10 condemns them as such !

 

[Brightfame52]

I hope you are not saying faith is a work.

This is what Im saying:
Reconciliation equals Justification, declared Righteous !

 

[zoidar]

This is what Im saying:
Reconciliation equals Justification, declared Righteous !

I would agree, but you think this happens before faith and I think it happens after faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

I would agree, but you think this happens before faith and I think it happens after faith.

Okay

 

[Brightfame52]

Justified in order to be reconciled !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now we know that Justification and Reconciliation are one and the same, or simultaneously concurrent, because in order for a sinner to be reconciled to God, sins must be discharged and viewed as no longer debts to Gods Law and Justice, and must be reckoned as Righteous, no unrighteous person is reconciled to a Holy God ! Hence, them that are reconciled to God by Christ's Death while enemies, must also be Righteous and discharged of all iniquity before Gods Law and Justice as enemies !

 

[zoidar]

Justified in order to be reconciled !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now we know that Justification and Reconciliation are one and the same, or simultaneously concurrent, because in order for a sinner to be reconciled to God, sins must be discharged and viewed as no longer debts to Gods Law and Justice, and must be reckoned as Righteous, no unrighteous person is reconciled to a Holy God ! Hence, them that are reconciled to God by Christ's Death while enemies, must also be Righteous and discharged of all iniquity before Gods Law and Justice as enemies !

Merry Christmas Brightfame! May the Lord bless you! ✝️

 

[Brightfame52]

Merry Christmas Brightfame! May the Lord bless you! ✝️

Not the place for that friend. Did you pay attention to post points ?

 

[Brightfame52]

Reconciliation is Salvation !

If anyone tells us that Reconciliation is not Salvation, dont believe it, its a lie. The fact is reconciliation is Salvation in that its Peace with God. We read Col 1:20

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

This peace through reconciliation by the blood of Christ is Preached as good tidings of Salvation, for we read again in Rom 10:15

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Now Rom 10:15 is taken from Isa 52:7

7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

The Gospel of Peace which is the result of reconciliation Rom 10:15

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Eph 6:15

And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

Eph 2:17

And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

This is also the Gospel of Salvation Isa 52:7

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

Its the word of reconciliation established by the Blood of Christ 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

If anyone through the blood of Christ has been reconciled to God, they have with God Peace and Salvation, and it will be Preached to them !

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[John Mullally]

Justified in order to be reconciled !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now we know that Justification and Reconciliation are one and the same, or simultaneously concurrent, because in order for a sinner to be reconciled to God, sins must be discharged and viewed as no longer debts to Gods Law and Justice, and must be reckoned as Righteous, no unrighteous person is reconciled to a Holy God ! Hence, them that are reconciled to God by Christ's Death while enemies, must also be Righteous and discharged of all iniquity before Gods Law and Justice as enemies !

You keep repeating yourself like the pagam ideologically possessed in Acts 19:28. I answered this in Post 390 to which you did not intelligently respond. (as you only repeat yourself) . Are you afraid to go to any depth because you know the Bible does not support what you say? Are you afraid of "losing your religion"?

Merry Christmas

 

[Brightfame52]

Why Reconciled to God while being Enemies ?

Those Christ died for, unlike them He did not die for, are reconciled to God while even being enemies and unbelievers, because of Christ's death for them Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now the unbelieving world religions do not believe this great blessing that attends the Death of Christ, however it is a True fact nevertheless and here's why.

Its because by the Death and Blood of Christ alone, Gods punitive Justice against their sins has been totally satisfied, and as a result of that, despite themselves, God is 100% reconciled to them, solely by the Death of Christ, and they are totally reconciled to God, no not in themselves, but in their Surety Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Its just like all men in Adam before the fall were in a right relationship with God, Upright, not in themselves, but in the Upright Adam Ecc 7:29

Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man[adam] upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Because of Christ therefore, those He died for are reconciled to God and Justice can never cannot and will not charge them with anything Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

So as long as Christ died for one, whether they are a believer or not[though they shall believe in due time], they are totally reconciled to God, God reconciled to them, and no charges can ever be laid to their account, not in this world or the world to come ! 12

 

[Brightfame52]

You keep repeating yourself like the pagam ideologically possessed in Acts 19:28. I answered this in Post 390 to which you did not intelligently respond. (as you only repeat yourself) . Are you afraid to go to any depth because you know the Bible does not support what you say? Are you afraid of "losing your religion"?

Merry Christmas

If you dont believe and understand what Im saying, you dont have any idea of what Christs death accomplished in reconciliation, you not listening to me and I have gone into depth explaining.

 

[John Mullally]

If you dont believe and understand what Im saying, you dont have any idea of what Christs death accomplished in reconciliation, you not listening to me and I have gone into depth explaining.

I am listening. Scripture does not says that God only loves some. You assume that God selects favorites from eternity past which you term "his people" or "the elect" and those are the only ones for whom Christ died.

You do not accept that per 1 John 2:1-2 Christ died for everyone. Christ accomplished redemption for everyone, but it is only received through faith.

1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.​

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You reject 1 Timothy 2:4 which says that God desires all people to be saved. God is not duplicitous, but Calvin has God fatalistically gpvernimg our will and actions and then damning some people for those actions which cannot be avoided. God is holy and does not tempt anyone (James 1:13), much less make anyone sin through decrees.

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Reference Post 385, 389, 390 for more information.

 

[Brightfame52]

Shall be saved by His Life !

This promise is made of all for whom Christ died and reconciled to God by His death while they were enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This scripture guarantees that these enemies Christ died for shall be saved by His Life ! They have been already reconciled to God, yet further blessing is promised. That they shall be saved by His[Christ] Life means that they shall be saved from being Gods enemy experientially, and that they shall believe the Truth, which is another aspect of salvation. We read of this here 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

In other words its an aspect of Salvation, a Saving, to be sanctified by the Spirit unto belief of the Truth. So in essence, those enemies in Rom 5:10 who were reconciled to God by Christ's death, its promised of them that they shall be saved by Christ's Life unto belief of the Truth. Christ's Life is His Spirit being given to them He substituted for as their Surety, thats why He is as the second or last adam made a life giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening[life giving] spirit. That is His Life referred to in Rom 5:10 that they shall be saved by !

And so we know this is not true of all mankind without exception, hence Christ did not die for all mankind without exception , unless we come to embrace the heresy of universalism and make the false claim that all mankind without exception shall be saved by Christs Life !

 

[Brightfame52]

I am listening. Scripture does not says that God only loves some. You assume that God selects favorites from eternity past which you term "his people" or "the elect" and those are the only ones for whom Christ died.

You do not accept that per 1 John 2:1-2 Christ died for everyone. Christ accomplished redemption for everyone, but it is only received through faith.

1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.​

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You reject 1 Timothy 2:4 which says that God desires all people to be saved. God is not duplicitous, but Calvin has God fatalistically gpvernimg our will and actions and then damning some people for those actions which cannot be avoided. God is holy and does not tempt anyone (James 1:13), much less make anyone sin through decrees.

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Reference Post 385, 389, 390 for more information.

You continue to evidence that you understand not what Christs death accomplished.

 

[Brightfame52]

Men and Women whom Christ died for, they partake of His Saving Benefits, because Hes their Saviour, while they themselves are enemies and unbelievers. They, unlike the rest of mankind whom He did not die for, are reconciled to God, and abide in His acceptance and favor Rom 5:10, while others are under His Wrath and Condemnation while they are being enemies and unbelievers Jn 3:18,36 ! So thats how we know that some have taken part of Christ's Saving Death when enemies and unbelievers, and some have not while enemies and unbelievers, so how do you explain that ? 12

 

[Peacemaker1]

do we continue to be enemies, instead of friends, when are we HIs friend (( and not HIs enemy)....


John 15:15
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

John 15:14
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 15:
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 3:16
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

 

[Brightfame52]

No conditions to be reconciled !

Not all men are reconciled to God by Christ's death while being enemies, and thats simply because Christ's death was not for everyone without exception. Thats why some are reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 and why some are under Gods wrath and condemnation while being enemies and unbelievers Jn 3:18,36 !

There is simply only one explanation for this, Christ died for some who are enemies and unbelievers and did not die for others who are enemies and unbelievers !

The enemies and unbelievers that Christ died for are reconciled to God by it, did not perform any conditions whatsoever, because they were actively enemies and unbelievers, So Christ fulfilled all the conditions necessary for them to be reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers !13