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It's a lie, deception and delusion of such a great magnitude (that Jesus didn't die for all) that it boggles my mind that men would have the gall to ever consider uttering it out of their mouth . We're talking about the very heart of God and his longing that no one perish the very reason Jesus came into this earth. It's stunning men could ever even entertain the notion that Jesus wasn't the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.That is a LIE! We have already exposed it with very clear Scripture.
"and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2
Speak truth or shut up!
You keep repeating that because you don't understand the whole of the gospel, because you don't take into account and understand the whole of God’s Word.Promoting works salvation, conditioned on man, a rabbit trail
Sorry, I can agree with this statement but where you go with it is WRONG.More on Reconciliation explained !
As in Justification, there is a difference between Objective/Legal Reconciliation and Subjective/ Experiential Reconciliation.
And this is where you are wrong for you cut back on the true measure of just who God has legally reconciled unto himself. And who is that? The world....not just the lucky ones, or the especially blessed or what you consider to be the elect......but....THE WORLD.These must be kept distinct in that there is a big difference in what the Lord Jesus Christ did for His Sheep when He died on the Cross and what shall take place in them because of it;
Yes and no and I'll use your own words. Not from the legal standpoint of reconciliation no they didn't do a thing. Christ died on the cross. From the experiential standpoint of reconciliation YES they did do something and what was that? They obeyed the instruction of Paul "Be you reconciled to God" That is something they did and it is something every single person on the planet can do as well. Legally the world is reconciled to God not just who you call the elect......the world is. Problem is not everyone in the world will choose to become reconciled to God.This Reconciliation also is not based upon anything the sinner did, but solely " By the Death of God's Son " !
1 John 2:2 says clearly that He died for "not only our sins, but the sins of the WHOLE WORLD". Which means He died for EVERYONE.Its simple, He died for them that are reconciled to God, now is everyone whoever lived reconciled to God ?
Again, everyone Christ died for is reconciled to God.1 John 2:2 says clearly that He died for "not only our sins, but the sins of the WHOLE WORLD". Which means He died for EVERYONE.
But not everyone is reconciled to Him, as you imply above. So the only conclusion we can come to that rightly fits the Word of God is that He made a way to be reconciled for everyone, but only those who obey Him (exhibit faith in Him) as seen in so many other passages will actually receive the reconciliation.
You taking this to mean that Christ only died for those who are actually reconciled is to cause Scripture to contradict itself, and it never does that.
If that were true, then EVERYONE would be going to Heaven, and NO ONE would be going to Hell. Hell wouldn't even be a concept in Scripture if what you say is true. Because it is undeniable that Christ died for EVERY human soul that has ever existed; you cannot read 1 John 2:2 and honestly dispute that.Again, everyone Christ died for is reconciled to God.
He died only for them that are reconciled and saved ,and 1 Jn 2:2 refers to the sameIf that were true, then EVERYONE would be going to Heaven, and NO ONE would be going to Hell. Hell wouldn't even be a concept in Scripture if what you say is true. Because it is undeniable that Christ died for EVERY human soul that has ever existed; you cannot read 1 John 2:2 and honestly dispute that.
There are some very huge issues with your doctrine. But here is the truth:He died only for them that are reconciled and saved ,and 1 Jn 2:2 refers to the same
The Bible never describes reconcilation as objective or subjective. Sounds to me like a made up idea.More on Subjective Reconciliation !
When the Apostles, having been directed by the Spirit of God and His Divine Providence, did send forth the Gospel Exhortation or Imperative in Christ's stead 2 Cor 5:20
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Understand that it was not an invitation for everyone in the world without exception, neither was it to men and women dead in trespasses and sins or in a lost state, whom they were attempting them to cooperate with God, But it was an exhortation to them that had been given Faith, to believe, to embrace and receive experientially their Atonement or reconciliation Rom 5:11
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The word atonement here is the greek word katallagē which is also translated reconciliation in 2 Cor 5:18-19
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Also the imperative ' Be ye reconciled" in Vs 20 is aorist imperative passive, which means this exhortation was the means by which God reconciled them subjectively to Himself. Remember what Paul said of his mission to the gentiles Acts 28:18
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Notice that words to turn them Its the word epistrephō which means:
transitively
a) to turn to
1) to the worship of the true God
b) to cause to return, to bring back
And that is what the imperative " be ye reconciled to God" did, it cause a return to God, it brought them back !
Also finally Rom 5:11 Please notice in this verse by whom they received the reconciliation, it was not by their own freewill, but it was by or through Jesus Christ !
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Christ was responsible for them receiving it experientially by Faith ! Thats because He is a Total Saviour ! 3
The Bible never describes reconcilation as objective or subjective. It only says reconciliation.More on Subjective Reconciliation !
When the Apostles, having been directed by the Spirit of God and His Divine Providence, did send forth the Gospel Exhortation or Imperative in Christ's stead 2 Cor 5:20
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Understand that it was not an invitation for everyone in the world without exception, neither was it to men and women dead in trespasses and sins or in a lost state, whom they were attempting them to cooperate with God, But it was an exhortation to them that had been given Faith, to believe, to embrace and receive experientially their Atonement or reconciliation Rom 5:11
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
The word atonement here is the greek word katallagē which is also translated reconciliation in 2 Cor 5:18-19
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Also the imperative ' Be ye reconciled" in Vs 20 is aorist imperative passive, which means this exhortation was the means by which God reconciled them subjectively to Himself. Remember what Paul said of his mission to the gentiles Acts 28:18
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Notice that words to turn them Its the word epistrephō which means:
transitively
a) to turn to
1) to the worship of the true God
b) to cause to return, to bring back
And that is what the imperative " be ye reconciled to God" did, it cause a return to God, it brought them back !
Also finally Rom 5:11 Please notice in this verse by whom they received the reconciliation, it was not by their own freewill, but it was by or through Jesus Christ !
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Christ was responsible for them receiving it experientially by Faith ! Thats because He is a Total Saviour ! 3
Maybe that terminology isnt used, however the Truth of it is. Thats the Main thing, that Truth of God is conveyed. Subjective reconciliation is conversion to God.The Bible never describes reconcilation as objective or subjective. Sounds to me like a made up idea.
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