Reconciled to God while enemies !

[Brightfame52]

Those reconciled by His Death shall be saved ?

Those that Christ died for and reconciled to God by His death, even while they were being enemies/unbelievers, but reconciled nonetheless, they shall [promise] be saved by His Life. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now what does that mean, they shall be saved by His Life ? That means by His resurrected Life they shall believe and be saved Luke 8:12

Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Acts 16:31

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

So in Essence, Rom 5:10 guarantees that all for whom Christ died for and reconciled to God by His Death even while they were unbelievers/enemies, that they shall become believers and be saved by His Life ! 3

 

[zoidar]

Those reconciled by His Death shall be saved ?

Those that Christ died for and reconciled to God by His death, even while they were being enemies/unbelievers, but reconciled nonetheless, they shall [promise] be saved by His Life. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now what does that mean, they shall be saved by His Life ? That means by His resurrected Life they shall believe and be saved Luke 8:12

Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Acts 16:31

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

So in Essence, Rom 5:10 guarantees that all for whom Christ died for and reconciled to God by His Death even while they were unbelievers/enemies, that they shall become believers and be saved by His Life ! 3

Where do you find this idea that those Jesus died for will become believers? You got something else than Rom 5:10?

 

[Brightfame52]

much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

"much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life"

Now to whom does this promise apply ? Why it applies to all whom were reconciled to God by the Death of His Son while they were being enemies/unbelievers, whomever they are. Now some will contend that Paul here is writing to believers, which fact is True, However they willfully neglect to understand what he wrote to the believers of Rome, some fact about them that was true when they were not believers, but enemies and in unbelief, and that was, even then as enemies in their minds by wicked works as per Col 1:21, they were nevertheless reconciled to God [in His [Favour] solely by the Death of His Son for them, and thus being reconciled [ as enemies/unbelievers] they shall be saved by His Life !

Now what does it mean that they shall be saved by His Life ? Well after His reconciling Death, He now forever lives to make Intercession for those He died Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Meaning all those He died for shall be saved by His Life, His Intercession, which lives on doing as an addendum to His reconciling Death.

Those who are reconciled by His Death [ in any age of world history from the beginning of the world to its end] as an added benefit and blessing thereof, they shall be saved by His Life, out of being enemies and unbelievers Col 1:21 by His Intercession which He ever liveth to perform on their behalf. The Saving Here means that they shall be saved through His Life of Intercession, and thoroughly converted to God, and that is what " They shall be saved by His Life means Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.3

 

[Doug Brents]

Rom 5:10, Saving after reconciliation !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This scripture teaches a Blessed Truth that very few can receive, and that is there is a Saving or Salvation that comes after Reconciliation and it applies only to those that were reconciled to God by Christ's Death, while they were being Enemies.

That word enemies in the original is present tense, denoting while being in a state of being enemies/unbelievers, they were reconciled, which is past tense, and all such reconciled, while being enemies, shall be saved by His Life, that is Salvation shall be applied to them !

Bright, please notice that reconciliation is not the same as salvation. Rom 5:10 makes that distinction clear.
Yes, when we were still enemies we were reconciled by Jesus' death. And this applies to EVERY HUMAN WHO HAS OR WILL EVER LIVE[D].
But then SOME will be saved by His life. And that some, that few, will be saved based on their response to hearing the Gospel message (Rom 10:17). You continually try to preach (what ends up being a false message) based on just a few verses, but your explanation of those few verses does not stand up to cross-examination with other Scripture passages. Please expand your study to include ALL Scripture, and not just these few passages that you can twist to say what you want them to mean.

 

[zoidar]

much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

"much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life"

Now to whom does this promise apply ? Why it applies to all whom were reconciled to God by the Death of His Son while they were being enemies/unbelievers, whomever they are. Now some will contend that Paul here is writing to believers, which fact is True, However they willfully neglect to understand what he wrote to the believers of Rome, some fact about them that was true when they were not believers, but enemies and in unbelief, and that was, even then as enemies in their minds by wicked works as per Col 1:21, they were nevertheless reconciled to God [in His [Favour] solely by the Death of His Son for them, and thus being reconciled [ as enemies/unbelievers] they shall be saved by His Life !

Now what does it mean that they shall be saved by His Life ? Well after His reconciling Death, He now forever lives to make Intercession for those He died Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Meaning all those He died for shall be saved by His Life, His Intercession, which lives on doing as an addendum to His reconciling Death.

Those who are reconciled by His Death [ in any age of world history from the beginning of the world to its end] as an added benefit and blessing thereof, they shall be saved by His Life, out of being enemies and unbelievers Col 1:21 by His Intercession which He ever liveth to perform on their behalf. The Saving Here means that they shall be saved through His Life of Intercession, and thoroughly converted to God, and that is what " They shall be saved by His Life means Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.3

They shall be saved by his life since they have been reconciled/born again (and are no longer enemies), that is what you are missing.

How can they still be enemies after being reconciled? Are you to say they are no longer enemies, but still under God's wrath? How does that make sense?

 

[Brightfame52]

Rom 5:10, Saving after reconciliation !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This scripture teaches a Blessed Truth that very few can receive, and that is there is a Saving or Salvation that comes after Reconciliation and it applies only to those that were reconciled to God by Christ's Death, while they were being Enemies.

That word enemies in the original is in the present tense, denoting while being in a state of being enemies/unbelievers, they were reconciled, which is past tense, and all such reconciled, while being enemies, shall be saved by His Life, that is Salvation shall be applied to them !

 

[zoidar]

Rom 5:10, Saving after reconciliation !

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This scripture teaches a Blessed Truth that very few can receive, and that is there is a Saving or Salvation that comes after Reconciliation and it applies only to those that were reconciled to God by Christ's Death, while they were being Enemies.

That word enemies in the original is in the present tense, denoting while being in a state of being enemies/unbelievers, they were reconciled, which is past tense, and all such reconciled, while being enemies, shall be saved by His Life, that is Salvation shall be applied to them !

"While being enemies, shall be saved by his life." That is not what it says!

It says: If God could reconcile/forgive us while being enemies, how much more will we be eternally saved by his life while being friends, being forgiven, reconciled. This is in line with the rest of Scripture.

First you repent, have faith, then you will be saved. It's not: if Christ died for you, you will sometime in the future repent and have faith. That's a theological angle, a poor one I like to add, that has as far as I can see no support at all in Scripture.

 

[Brightfame52]

More on Romans 5:10 and Salvation !

Now understand this, Christ's Death does save in a way of Justification solely by His Death, the conversion experience of both faith and repentance of the ones saved by way of Justification before God is not needed, but only His Death Rom 5:18-19

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience [death] of one shall many be made righteous [or Just as in Justified.

Isa says the same thing here Isa 53:1

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

The He shall bear their iniquities is the same and equals to in Rom 5:19 " So by the Obedience of One " that Obedience consisted in bearing their iniquities at His Death. And by that Obedience alone they are Made Righteous or Justified. The word Justify in Isa 53:11 is the Hebrew word tsadaq :


to be just, be righteous

to have a just cause, be in the right

2) to be justified

3) to be just (of God)

4) to be just, be righteous (in conduct and character)

b) (Niphal) to be put or made right, be justified

c) (Piel) justify, make to appear righteous, make someone righteous

So Yes, Justification of Life here as Per Rom 5:18, and 19 being made Righteous equals to Salvation in that they are saved from, delivered from the penalty of all their sins and the condemnation thereof of God's Law ! This Justification of Life came solely upon Christ's One Act of Righteousness, as opposed to Adam's one act trespass that did merit condemnation. The Justification of Life by one [Christ's act] is just as real as the condemnation was for Adam's one act; Hence all for whom Christ died, have to their credit forever, Justification of Life, saved from the penalty of Sin which was against God's Law and Justice, and that forever, even while they are unbelievers and enemies, though they will become believers in their lifetime [The Just shall live by Faith] But until then, they are saved [by Justification of Life] ! 4

 

[Brightfame52]

Who is it that shall be saved ?

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Who is it that shall be saved ? I like that word shall in scripture, for it denotes certainty, ,it will occur ! It means something is sure to happen by the promise and word of Him that cannot lie. Now here is a for sure promise to everyone Christ died for, and by His Death Reconciled them to God, even while they were being enemies/unbelievers, they all, everyone of them, Shall be Saved ! How ? By His Life !

So who is it that shall be saved [By His Life] ? All those whom were reconciled to God by Christ's Death while they were enemies and unbelievers, that's who ! 4

 

[Brightfame52]

Whats the difference ?

The difference between the enemies that God Loves through Christ as Per Rom 5:10 whom Christ died for, and His enemies whom He did not Love through Christ and for whom Christ did not die for is this: Now those enemies God does Love, when Christ died for them, by His Death they were reconciled to God [received into His Divine Favor] even while being enemies Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled[as enemies, we shall be saved by his life.

And the promise to those reconciled enemies is that they shall be saved by His Life [future indicative]

So clearly there is Hope of Salvation promised to all reconciled enemies/unbelievers by Christ's Death alone ! Whereas those enemies that Christ did not die for while being enemies, instead of being reconciled to God, the wrath of God is abiding on them Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Not only is the wrath of God abiding on them [not reconciled] they have a promise of NOT SEEING LIFE ! Future indicative, they have no promise of being saved by His Life as those enemies have in Rom 5:10, the difference being, the Death of Christ. Christ's Death guarantee's all those enemies He died for shall be saved by His Life ! 4

 

[zoidar]

Whats the difference ?

The difference between the enemies that God Loves through Christ as Per Rom 5:10 whom Christ died for, and His enemies whom He did not Love through Christ and for whom Christ did not die for is this: Now those enemies God does Love, when Christ died for them, by His Death they were reconciled to God [received into His Divine Favor] even while being enemies Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled[as enemies, we shall be saved by his life.

And the promise to those reconciled enemies is that they shall be saved by His Life [future indicative]

So clearly there is Hope of Salvation promised to all reconciled enemies/unbelievers by Christ's Death alone ! Whereas those enemies that Christ did not die for while being enemies, instead of being reconciled to God, the wrath of God is abiding on them Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Not only is the wrath of God abiding on them [not reconciled] they have a promise of NOT SEEING LIFE ! Future indicative, they have no promise of being saved by His Life as those enemies have in Rom 5:10, the difference being, the Death of Christ. Christ's Death guarantee's all those enemies He died for shall be saved by His Life ! 4

Do you find any verse in the Bible saying Jesus didn't die for a person? There is not even a verse saying Jesus didn't die for Judas.

 

[Brightfame52]

Reconciliation inwardly also !


Most of my teaching has been on the objective side of Reconciliation, that all for whom Christ died, even while they are enemies, nevertheless they have been objectively, legally reconciled to God, and that solely by His Death. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we [Believers] were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now there is another truth about the Reconciliation that the Work of Christ for His People provides and effectuates, and that is a Reconciliation in His People, through Christ. Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

It cannot be denied here that Paul is acknowledgment to Christ's Death " In the body of his flesh through death" to be the cause why they were no longer " alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works" ,which they were by nature. If you recall in Rom 5:10 when just objectively Reconciled by Christ's Death, they were still enemies but here in this verse Paul's extends the Reconciliation by Christ's Death to save them out of that state of enmity.

This is so because the Reconciling Death is the meritorious cause or reason for them receiving New Life from the Spirit, and by this New Spiritual Life, they are Now Reconciled experientially, which is but the fulfillment of the promise in Rom 5:10 b They shall be saved by His Life ! The Saving by His Life there is experiential Reconciliation or Conversion ! In other words, those who are objectively reconciled by Christ's death while still being unconverted, the promise is that they shall be converted or saved by His Life !

For all this is in line with the Purpose of His Death, which was to bring those He died for back to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins[His Death], the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The word bring is a strong word and it means:

to cause to come to or toward oneself; attract

Or we can say it means to reconcile us experientially to God.That was a main Purpose for Christ being put to death for those He died for, in order to convert them to God. If that does not happen for each one He died for, God's Purpose in His Death has failed ! So each Person He died for shall be Reconciled inwardly to God also ! 4

 

[zoidar]

Reconciliation inwardly also !


Most of my teaching has been on the objective side of Reconciliation, that all for whom Christ died, even while they are enemies, nevertheless they have been objectively, legally reconciled to God, and that solely by His Death. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we [Believers] were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now there is another truth about the Reconciliation that the Work of Christ for His People provides and effectuates, and that is a Reconciliation in His People, through Christ. Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

It cannot be denied here that Paul is acknowledgment to Christ's Death " In the body of his flesh through death" to be the cause why they were no longer " alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works" ,which they were by nature. If you recall in Rom 5:10 when just objectively Reconciled by Christ's Death, they were still enemies but here in this verse Paul's extends the Reconciliation by Christ's Death to save them out of that state of enmity.

This is so because the Reconciling Death is the meritorious cause or reason for them receiving New Life from the Spirit, and by this New Spiritual Life, they are Now Reconciled experientially, which is but the fulfillment of the promise in Rom 5:10 b They shall be saved by His Life ! The Saving by His Life there is experiential Reconciliation or Conversion ! In other words, those who are objectively reconciled by Christ's death while still being unconverted, the promise is that they shall be converted or saved by His Life !

For all this is in line with the Purpose of His Death, which was to bring those He died for back to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins[His Death], the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The word bring is a strong word and it means:

to cause to come to or toward oneself; attract

Or we can say it means to reconcile us experientially to God.That was a main Purpose for Christ being put to death for those He died for, in order to convert them to God. If that does not happen for each one He died for, God's Purpose in His Death has failed ! So each Person He died for shall be Reconciled inwardly to God also ! 4

Col 1:21-22 is even clearer than Rom 5:10. Formerly! Before being reconciled we were alienated, hostile in mind, enemies to God, and now, after reconcilation, through the death of Christ, we are no longer alienated, enemies but presented as holy and blameless, friends of God. That is not something that happens without faith.

And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach⁠—
— Colossians 1:21-22

 

[Studyman]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

We should be careful not to take one verse out of the Bible, separate it from all other Scriptures, and then create doctrines based on one sentence.

Reconcile means "to restore friendly relations with",

Strongs ""to change") – properly, decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

An example would be if a man killed someone in a Kingdom, making them an enemy of the King. And the penalty was death. And someone offered to pay the debt owed by the guilty man and the King accepted the arrangement, and the guilty man was forgiven. In other words, he was "Reconciled" to the King, while he was still an enemy, still guilty.

So this man is no longer "under the law", he was freed from the law of the King, (Sin) (Don't kill), that held him. Now this man if free to "change" his ways. To not kill people again, to "Go and kill no more".

How is this accomplished? That is where the rest of the Scriptures come into play. As Paul teaches "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

This is a very important Biblical Truth that is ignored by the religions of this world. Being Reconciled to God while we were still enemies, is not being Saved. Paul points this out in 1 Cor. 10.

Israel was reconciled to God while they were yet sinners in Egypt, "enemies". Reconciled by the Blood of the Lamb of God. And yet many were overthrown in the wilderness, in other words, they were NOT Saved. Paul said not to be ignorant of this Truth of God.

Once reconciled, we must repent as the Jesus of the Bible instructs.

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

We are instructed to;

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; (Jesus doesn't "do" this for us.) 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind 24 And that ye "put on" the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Jesus doesn't put this new man on us, for us)

There is a Cost to men who have been reconciled to God, if they want to "Enter Life", as Jesus teaches. "but if thou (Who has been reconciled to God) wilt enter into life, (Be saved) keep the commandments". Which is what the scriptures teach from beginning to end.

And As Paul also teaches.

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we (Who have been reconciled to God) may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Like it is written, "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

1 John 2: 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Therefore, it is not "me" but Christ's Sayings, which are Life and Spirit, that is within me, (Renewed in the Spirit of my mind) that now guides my life.

 

[Brightfame52]

Col 1:21-22 is even clearer than Rom 5:10. Formerly! Before being reconciled we were alienated, hostile in mind, enemies to God, and now, after reconcilation, through the death of Christ, we are no longer alienated, enemies but presented as holy and blameless, friends of God. That is not something that happens without faith.

And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach⁠—
— Colossians 1:21-22

So Christs death provides both objective and subjective reconciliation.

 

[Brightfame52]

We should be careful not to take one verse out of the Bible, separate it from all other Scriptures, and then create doctrines based on one sentence.

Reconcile means "to restore friendly relations with",

Strongs ""to change") – properly, decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

An example would be if a man killed someone in a Kingdom, making them an enemy of the King. And the penalty was death. And someone offered to pay the debt owed by the guilty man and the King accepted the arrangement, and the guilty man was forgiven. In other words, he was "Reconciled" to the King, while he was still an enemy, still guilty.

So this man is no longer "under the law", he was freed from the law of the King, (Sin) (Don't kill), that held him. Now this man if free to "change" his ways. To not kill people again, to "Go and kill no more".

How is this accomplished? That is where the rest of the Scriptures come into play. As Paul teaches "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

This is a very important Biblical Truth that is ignored by the religions of this world. Being Reconciled to God while we were still enemies, is not being Saved. Paul points this out in 1 Cor. 10.

Israel was reconciled to God while they were yet sinners in Egypt, "enemies". Reconciled by the Blood of the Lamb of God. And yet many were overthrown in the wilderness, in other words, they were NOT Saved. Paul said not to be ignorant of this Truth of God.

Once reconciled, we must repent as the Jesus of the Bible instructs.

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

We are instructed to;

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; (Jesus doesn't "do" this for us.) 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind 24 And that ye "put on" the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Jesus doesn't put this new man on us, for us)

There is a Cost to men who have been reconciled to God, if they want to "Enter Life", as Jesus teaches. "but if thou (Who has been reconciled to God) wilt enter into life, (Be saved) keep the commandments". Which is what the scriptures teach from beginning to end.

And As Paul also teaches.

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we (Who have been reconciled to God) may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Like it is written, "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

1 John 2: 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Therefore, it is not "me" but Christ's Sayings, which are Life and Spirit, that is within me, (Renewed in the Spirit of my mind) that now guides my life.

This is a diversion, a rabbit trail.

 

[Doug Brents]

This is a diversion, a rabbit trail.

LOL, only because it is truth, and completely destroys your entire thought process.

 

[zoidar]

So Christs death provides both objective and subjective reconciliation.

Once a person receives Christ in faith he/she is reconciled to God, through receiving Christ's sacrifice, his death on the cross. The person is not reconciled to God before faith. There is an atonement/a price paid for the unbeliever, it's just not causing reconciliation before the atonement is received.

 

[Brightfame52]

@zoidar

The person is not reconciled to God before faith

Thats in direct contradiction to Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Doug Brents]

Thats in direct contradiction to Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

No sir, that is not a contradiction. Reconciliation is not the same as redemption. The whole world was reconciled, but not everyone will be saved.