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Of course, these ones do NOT meet the conditionsBut if they are conditions people meet in the flesh to save themselves, the gospel becomes law and salvation is of works.
So people must be born again before they can believe in any true sense?Of course, these ones do NOT meet the conditions
in the flesh ... they can ONLY be done in the Spirit.
Absolutely ... can you imagine a Muslim tryingSo people must be born again before they can believe in any true sense?
Jesus goes after those that go astray "cast themselves out" until he finds them and brings them back. The reason so many Christians believe you can lose Salvation, is because of two things. Number 1, they have no experience with the OT and have gotten stuck in the wilderness or never even left Egypt. Because of this, they have not grown in any capacity of knowing Holy Spirit therefor are not being led by Him through the scripture and the word is not living inside them. Secondly, they only read the OT in light of being a baby and have no idea what Faith is. They decide of their own I renewed mind what the Bible says. They have not experienced Father because they are too busy denying His Love and Grace and sufficiency of His Ressurecting power and put the Gift of Salvation to be obtained through their own volition.Jesus promised to not cast out
those whom the Father gives Him.
But, those whom the Father gives Him
can cast themselves out ...
via their free will, disobedience, etc.
Some of whom were cast into a pit to die.Lastly, if you want to know if we have Eternal Security, it's found in the Story of Israel.
Only God can make the blind see. With me it would be the blind leading the blind.Do you believe that some BACs are spiritually blind
in one or more critical areas of the faith?
IF SO, what would you like to add to the OP?
Sure, but as with the gospel ...Only God can make the blind see.
With me it would be the blind
leading the blind.
Abstractly yes, but there are good ways and not so good ways of doing this. The OP only really addresses two concrete "issues" which is OSAS and hyper-grace. The violators then implicitly inherent all the other bad stuff you talked about which basically boils down to they are not actually believers (and I might add, led by Satan). It feels agenda driven and very much strawman territory.Sure, but as with the gospel ...
man presents the Truth and the Spirit convicts
the person unto the realization that it is the Truth.
Of course, if thou prefers it ...
God could give the person a dream, a vision, etc.
I believe you will be interested in this ...If anyone hasn't noticed, warnings given by Christ are also prophecies or "coded" messages.
I believe you will be interested in this ...
1 John 4:2-3
"By this you know the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that confesses that
Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
and every spirit that does not confess that
Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God."
Everyone knew (and knows) that the man
called Jesus Christ was born into the world.
What these verses are saying to Christians is:
"Jesus Christ (God) has come in the flesh".
This was Christian code-language to bypass
the Roman scrutiny of the day.
Might be feigning what exactly?the evil spirits might be feigning it.
To what end? that's the million dollar question!
Perhaps we should start here, even though this verse
is about non-believers who cannot “see” the Truth
of the gospel message:
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has
blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
(1 Corinthians 4:4)
Satan can also cause BACs to be “blind” in some areas! He is the greatest liar and deceiver in the history of the world:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a master of deception and the father of lies!” (John 8:44)
Satan is able to blind some BACs (incl. pastors) from seeing various spiritual truths … OR … there wouldn’t be so many warnings about:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.
Apparently, many BACs do NOT “see”
the dire warnings written in the NT.
Some BACs (incl. pastors) DO see them,
but refuse to accept them!
Now let’s look at BACs who REALLY ARE
“blind” to these warnings!
What can cause BACs to be spiritually blind
about God’s warnings?
● HIDDEN WARNINGS ● In the epistles, warnings are “somewhat hidden” amongst everything else including edifications, encouragements, exhortations, etc. Compounding this, Paul usually wrote with extreme tact so he would still be welcome to visit the churches that he founded. Also, the Lord did not want these warnings to upset the babes in Christ.
● ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE ● This popular doctrine has obviously caused many believers to feel dangerously safe and secure. To others, this doctrine has an opposite effect: they have appreciated what God has done for them so much that their enormous love for Him has caused them to be willing to obey His commandments.
● HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE ● The popular doctrines of hyper-grace, grace-only, etc. teach that BACs have
NO responsibility or accountability for their salvation.
This is obviously false. One simple example of the
many “conditional” type of verses is: “IF you continue
to believe the gospel message I taught you,
you will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).
● DECEIVED PASTORS ● Many pastors are deceived
into believing some of the false doctrines above. These shepherds are failing in their duty to warn their sheep concerning things which are vital to their spiritual well-being! The blood of the sheep who don’t make it
(who have NOT been properly warned about their responsibilities) will be on the hands of their pastors!
(No matter what the pastors’ reasons/excuses are.)
Sorry but the Tempter still walks the earth and does it's job. It's biggest accomplishment was getting the Gentile church to accept rule over the kingdoms of man by teaming up with state 1700 years ago., The position was vacant as Jesus had previously rejected the offer while out in the desert.Sorry that I'm late to this discussion, but I thought I would point out (if someone hasn't already) but Satan is not god of the earth, Jesus is: Matthew 28:18
Sorry but the Tempter still walks the earth and does it's job. It's biggest accomplishment was getting the Gentile church to accept rule over the kingdoms of man by teaming up with state 1700 years ago., The position was vacant as Jesus had rejected the offer.
also specs and planksSomething about the blind trying to lead the blind comes to mind with this thread and its OP.
-CryptoLutheran
Perhaps we should start here, even though this verse
is about non-believers who cannot “see” the Truth
of the gospel message:
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has
blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
(1 Corinthians 4:4)
Satan can also cause BACs to be “blind” in some areas! He is the greatest liar and deceiver in the history of the world:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a master of deception and the father of lies!” (John 8:44)
Satan is able to blind some BACs (incl. pastors) from seeing various spiritual truths … OR … there wouldn’t be so many warnings about:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.
Apparently, many BACs do NOT “see”
the dire warnings written in the NT.
Some BACs (incl. pastors) DO see them,
but refuse to accept them!
Now let’s look at BACs who REALLY ARE
“blind” to these warnings!
What can cause BACs to be spiritually blind
about God’s warnings?
● HIDDEN WARNINGS ● In the epistles, warnings are “somewhat hidden” amongst everything else including edifications, encouragements, exhortations, etc. Compounding this, Paul usually wrote with extreme tact so he would still be welcome to visit the churches that he founded. Also, the Lord did not want these warnings to upset the babes in Christ.
● ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE ● This popular doctrine has obviously caused many believers to feel dangerously safe and secure. To others, this doctrine has an opposite effect: they have appreciated what God has done for them so much that their enormous love for Him has caused them to be willing to obey His commandments.
● HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE ● The popular doctrines of hyper-grace, grace-only, etc. teach that BACs have
NO responsibility or accountability for their salvation.
This is obviously false. One simple example of the
many “conditional” type of verses is: “IF you continue
to believe the gospel message I taught you,
you will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).
● DECEIVED PASTORS ● Many pastors are deceived
into believing some of the false doctrines above. These shepherds are failing in their duty to warn their sheep concerning things which are vital to their spiritual well-being! The blood of the sheep who don’t make it
(who have NOT been properly warned about their responsibilities) will be on the hands of their pastors!
(No matter what the pastors’ reasons/excuses are.)
Jesus promised to not cast out
those whom the Father gives Him.
But, those whom the Father gives Him
can cast themselves out ...
via their free will, disobedience, etc.
Might be feigning what exactly?
That they "believe" in Jesus?
Here's that word "believe" again!
Misunderstanding its' meaning
has sent many to hell, IMO.
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