Real time or evo time?

[TLK Valentine]

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Where does abiogenesis exist?

In your kitchen sink?
The country Latrine?
In a bowl of milk and cornflakes?

Pray tell so that we too might knoweth!

just about anywhere, really -- problem is, any time the most rudimentary forms of life are created, they tend to get eaten by the second more rudimentary forms long before we tend to notice. It's no longer a level playing field, don't you know.

If there's anything that eats, destroys, or otherwise kills time (other than the Internet, of course), I'd love to know about it.

 

[Radrook]

just about anywhere, really -- problem is, any time the most rudimentary forms of life are created, they tend to get eaten by the second more rudimentary forms long before we tend to notice. It's no longer a level playing field, don't you know.

If there's anything that eats, destroys, or otherwise kills time (other than the Internet, of course), I'd love to know about it.

So your explanation is that abiogenesis is happening all the time everywhere but it gets eaten. So what nasties eat the abiogenesis in the labs?

 

[Speedwell]

So your explanation is that abiogenesis is happening all the time everywhere but it gets eaten. So what nasties eat the abiogenesis in the labs?

No, the explanation is that if abiogenesis was still happening in nature, we might not know about it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

So your explanation is that abiogenesis is happening all the time everywhere but it gets eaten. So what nasties eat the abiogenesis in the labs?

Why don't you ask the scientists doing the experiments?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No, the explanation is that if abiogenesis was still happening in nature, we might not know about it.

pretty much a guarantee we wouldn't know about it -- them bacteria are mighty hungry.

 

[Speedwell]

pretty much a guarantee we wouldn't know about it -- them bacteria are mighty hungry.

And to be perfectly honest, there's a lot else going on with abiogenesis that we don't know about either--not yet. But what I find particularly strange about this abiogenesis question is the attitude among many creationists that science is assembling information on the subject of abiogenesis with the purpose of attacking them, striving to create life and destroy God and even now are bragging of eventual victory.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And to be perfectly honest, there's a lot else going on with abiogenesis that we don't know about either--not yet. But what I find particularly strange about this abiogenesis question is the attitude among many creationists that science is assembling information on the subject of abiogenesis with the purpose of attacking them, striving to create life and destroy God and even now are bragging of eventual victory.

Persecution complex.

 

[RealityCheck01]

19 January 2017 dad: Calculate the lengths of the baseline for the 2 parallax measurements using your time fantasy. What is the difference?
19 January 2017 dad: Why do multiple parallax distance measurements over long periods give similar results for a star?

Read and try to understand The ABC's of Distances.
8 February 2017 dad: Why do different rungs of the cosmic distance ladder give similar distances to distant objects?

 

[RealityCheck01]

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Where does abiogenesis exist?

Nowhere in this thread, Radrook ! But FYI: abiogenesis (very probably here and 3.8 and 4.1 billions of years ago)

 

[dad]

Explain how time changes can influence this.

If time is a part of space then it has to be involved!

Let's say I want to measure the distance to a far away mountain. I go to a particular point, let's call it point A. I measure how many degrees away from North the peak is. Then I travel a kilometer due east to Point B and make another measurement. I get a different angle.

Please tell me what difference there is if I measure from Point B a week later than my measurement from point A compared to if I have someone at Point B making a measurement at the same time that I am measuring from Point A.

In that measure the distance is fine. That is because we know that time exists and spacetime at all points in the equation! You don't know time exists where stars are.

 

[Kylie]

If time is a part of space then it has to be involved!

Please. Give me something definite, something specific.

You're arguing something that produces a negligible effect. It's like claiming that when plotting a route for a cross-country car trip, you have to take into account how the mass of the car curves space time in order to calculate how much fuel you need.

In that measure the distance is fine. That is because we know that time exists and spacetime at all points in the equation! You don't know time exists where stars are.

They act in ways that are perfectly explainable using the laws we have here. There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that the laws are any different there.

 

[dad]

Please. Give me something definite, something specific.

Time itself. Science doesn't even really know what it is. They have claimed time and space are woven together like a fabric. So, if we take any huge (or small) swath of space, such as the few hundred million miles or whatever of a base line used for parallax measures....it inherently contains time also, not just space! Tha is not known to be true in deep space.

You must find a way to measure distance without time therefore, or all your distances are really also time units.

You're arguing something that produces a negligible effect. It's like claiming that when plotting a route for a cross-country car trip, you have to take into account how the mass of the car curves space time in order to calculate how much fuel you need.

If there is a part of the universe, say, where time did not even exist, or existed so differently we would not recognize it, how would we have a light YEAR there? How would it take time for light or anything else to move there if there was no time? That is all pervasive, not negligible!

They act in ways that are perfectly explainable using the laws we have here. There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that the laws are any different there.

Well, if something is seen here, or we might say, unfolds in time here a certain way, then it is only seen HERE. How much time it involved to 'decay' or move or whatever is only seen here, where time exists!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Time itself. Science doesn't even really know what it is. They have claimed time and space are woven together like a fabric. So, if we take any huge (or small) swath of space, such as the few hundred million miles or whatever of a base line used for parallax measures....it inherently contains time also, not just space! Tha is not known to be true in deep space.

You must find a way to measure distance without time therefore, or all your distances are really also time units.

You're talking nonsense. There is no "time" in a mile, nor is there in a hundred miles, a thousand miles, or a million miles.

 

[dad]

You're talking nonsense. There is no "time" in a mile, nor is there in a hundred miles, a thousand miles, or a million miles.

Yes, time is everywhere on earth and in the solar system. Really. If there is space there must be spacetime. Please tell us how you can tear off time from the fabric of spacetime?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes, time is everywhere on earth and in the solar system. Really. If there is space there must be spacetime. Please tell us how you can tear off time from the fabric of spacetime?

by talking about space, not time.

So where is the time in 5,280 feet (one mile)?

 

[dad]

by talking about space, not time.

No such thing! If time exists here in the solar system then it exists everywhere! There is no million mile stretch of earth for example where no time exists.

So where is the time in 5,280 feet (one mile)?

Where is the time in a decaying atom!? It must be there since it takes time to decay!

 

[TLK Valentine]

No such thing! If time exists here in the solar system then it exists everywhere! There is no million mile stretch of earth for example where no time exists.

Are you sure? Have you been to every single place on Earth?

Are you there now? Are you certain that God doesn't change time when you're not around?

Where is the time in a decaying atom!? It must be there since it takes time to decay!

What do decaying atoms have to do with distance?

 

[dad]

Are you sure? Have you been to every single place on Earth?

I know people die in all areas. That means time. Tick tock

Are you there now? Are you certain that God doesn't change time when you're not around?

Start a 'trouble with reality' thread?

What do decaying atoms have to do with distance?

Time. There is time even in that small an area so imagine what time is in a million miles! Hoo ha

 

[TLK Valentine]

I know people die in all areas. That means time. Tick tock

No, that means people. People don't die in places there are no people, therefore, you can't prove with any certainty that time exists where there aren't any people.

Time. There is time even in that small an area so imagine what time is in a million miles! Hoo ha

Congratulations -- you've just proved that time exists millions of miles away! Hoo ha, indeed.

 

[dad]

No, that means people.

People live with time. It is unreasonable to claim that maybe in some forest cave or desert some man lives that is not affected by time.

Congratulations -- you've just proved that time exists millions of miles away! Hoo ha, indeed.

I did not prove it, I made a reasoned deduction based on experiences of man. Of course there is time millions of miles away, this is news? We know it takes so many seconds of our time for light to travel from the sun for example, and that is many millions of miles away. That is not the far universe though, THAT is unknown.