Real time or evo time?

[dad]

Is that what you think happens in stars?

The point was that even little things can have big reactions and be seen a long ways off.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The point was that even little things can have big reactions and be seen a long ways off.

Indeed -- but those reactions would require time to occur, which means you just confirmed that time exists in deep space! Check and mate; you've been defeated.

 

[dad]

Indeed -- but those reactions would require time to occur, which means you just confirmed that time exists in deep space! Check and mate; you've been defeated.

Not at all is that remotely close to a third cousin of the truth. Time exists here on earth and the area so HERE it takes time. Even if there were no time involved in movements or reactions in space where maybe no time was...or time was far different! Of course things take TIME HERE!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not at all is that remotely close to a third cousin of the truth. Time exists here on earth and the area so HERE it takes time. Even if there were no time involved in movements or reactions in space where maybe no time was...or time was far different! Of course things take TIME HERE!

You're claiming that things don't require time if you're not there?

 

[lesliedellow]

You're claiming that things don't require time if you're not there?

He seems not to realise that change is practically the definition of time. Come the heat death of the universe, when nothing thereafter ever changes, then there will be no time.

 

[dad]

You're claiming that things don't require time if you're not there?

No, the solar system has time in it for reasons other than me. Any intelligent questions now?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No, the solar system has time in it for reasons other than me.

But things happen outside the solar system, which, by your definition, indicates time.

 

[dad]

But things happen outside the solar system, which, by your definition, indicates time.

No. The amount of time anything takes depends on the way time exists. We always see everything here. So naturally it takes time. If we happened to see something here from somewhere else originally, where either no time or a different time existed, that would not matter HERE. Here we always see things in time.

 

[lesliedellow]

No. The amount of time anything takes depends on the way time exists. We always see everything here. So naturally it takes time. If we happened to see something here from somewhere else originally, where either no time or a different time existed, that would not matter HERE. Here we always see things in time.

I would love to see Dad submit a paper on his startling new ideas to a journal like Nature.

 

[Kylie]

Only thing wrong is your ingrained misconceptions, and inability to articulate a clear point, or deal with the basic issues at hand.

Methinks thou doest protest too much.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No. The amount of time anything takes depends on the way time exists. We always see everything here. So naturally it takes time. If we happened to see something here from somewhere else originally, where either no time or a different time existed, that would not matter HERE. Here we always see things in time.

Sounds like you're saying that things that require time here don't require time elsewhere.

 

[dad]

I would love to see Dad submit a paper on his startling new ideas to a journal like Nature.

The hard part would be to talk to the audience as if they were open minded adults, and politely.

 

[lesliedellow]

The hard part would be to talk to the audience as if they were open minded adults, and politely.

Oh, I am sure they would be all ears, as you explained how the General Theory of Relativity needed to be modified.

 

[dad]

Sounds like you're saying that things that require time here don't require time elsewhere.

Bingo! If there IS time, then things take or involve time. If there is not, well, how would they involve of take it? Or, if there was less or more in the fabric of space and time, how would it take the same time as here??

 

[dad]

Oh, I am sure they would be all ears, as you explained how the General Theory of Relativity needed to be modified.

Well, the theory seems pretty sound here in the fishbowl. The problem is when you try to impose it on the future or far past, or the spiritual.

When we look at some bent light and stars in deep space, we might think the light is bent by gravity, as that is what bends light maybe here around the sun or some such. Yet we do not know how far away or big the stars are, or if there is other forces out there along with gravity....or if gravity out there is exactly the same as here....etc etc. So, within limits the theory is fine. The theory itself is relative!

 

[lesliedellow]

Well, the theory seems pretty sound here in the fishbowl. The problem is when you try to impose it on the future or far past, or the spiritual.

When we look at some bent light and stars in deep space, we might think the light is bent by gravity, as that is what bends light maybe here around the sun or some such. Yet we do not know how far away or big the stars are, or if there is other forces out there along with gravity....or if gravity out there is exactly the same as here....etc etc. So, within limits the theory is fine. The theory itself is relative!

http://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/10/general_relativity/

 

[TLK Valentine]

Bingo! If there IS time, then things take or involve time. If there is not, well, how would they involve of take it? Or, if there was less or more in the fabric of space and time, how would it take the same time as here??

Now you're saying that these events don't require time -- it's just a coincidence.

 

[dad]

Oh, I am sure they would be all ears, as you explained how the General Theory of Relativity needed to be modified.

Great. Glad they are open to learn.

 

[dad]

Now you're saying that these events don't require time -- it's just a coincidence.

To know if time or some time or any time was involved there we would have to know more than how time exists here. Obviously.

 

[lesliedellow]

Great. Glad they are open to learn.

You are going to teach PhD phycists everything they need to know about physics! That should be fun to behold.