Rapture Wimpism

[seventysevens]

The message was to the Church at Philadelphia.

They weren't raptured.

But they were preserved during persecution under Nero.

Which is what Jesus had said.

this is a huge error on your part as you refuse to acknowledge the truth of what Jesus is saying as the hour of trial has not yet happened and since Jesus is the one who causes that hour to happen he certainly knows when it will happen - know they were mot rapture because the rapture has not yet occurred - The reason the 7 churches were mentioned is to k not only tell them they need to repent if they want to be part of Jesus kingdom but also for all future generations to know that the types of sin that was happening in the 6 other churches would be found in the CHURCH during the Last Days just prior to Jesus return and that the future churches should follow the example of the church of Philadelphia - The Book of Revelation was written more than 2 decades after the temple in 70 AD was destroyed , then there is a wait time for the writings to travel to the mainland and be spread around so the people could read it
Some people including yourself get this verse all twisted because they do not want to accept what it says -
it be absurd to say that Jesus is telling a church that has been dead 2000 years Before the rapture happens that he will keep them out of the HOUR of trial -the GT
It be absurd to say that only one congregation is keep out of the HOUR of trial - but people who do not want to believe , will go to extreme lengths to twist verses to mean something other than what they actually say

 

[jgr]

the hour of trial has not yet happened

It happened to the Philadelphian Church.

The Book of Revelation was written more than 2 decades after the temple in 70 AD was destroyed

Revelation speaks of Jewish opponents to the churches in the cities. Greek and Roman cities expelled their Jewish residents during the war in Judea, approaching 70 AD. Therefore Revelation was written prior to this.

Some people including yourself get this verse all twisted because they do not want to accept what it says -
it be absurd to say that Jesus is telling a church that has been dead 2000 years Before the rapture happens that he will keep them out of the HOUR of trial -the GT
It be absurd to say that only one congregation is keep out of the HOUR of trial - but people who do not want to believe , will go to extreme lengths to twist verses to mean something other than what they actually say

The hour of trial for the Philadelphian Church is consistent with the description of tribulation relating to the believer in all other Scripture -- a repetitive experience unique to every believer.

 

[Biblewriter]

Therefore, any and all genetic and mathematical evidence for ubiquity is invalid?

No real evidence is always valid, but claiming to be a scientist does not assure truthfulness. MANY alleged scientists have been caught publishing outright lies to advance the agendas they have been advocating.

But that is completely off the point. No amount of humanly produced “proof” can set aside a single statement of scripture.

 

[seventysevens]

It happened to the Philadelphian Church.



Revelation speaks of Jewish opponents to the churches in the cities. Greek and Roman cities expelled their Jewish residents during the war in Judea, approaching 70 AD. Therefore Revelation was written prior to this.



The hour of trial for the Philadelphian Church is consistent with the description of tribulation in all other Scripture -- a repetitive experience unique to every believer.

Wrong Wrong Wrong
The hour of trial is yet to come

 

[jgr]

No real evidence is always valid, but claiming to be a scientist does not assure truthfulness. MANY alleged scientists have been caught publishing outright lies to advance the agendas they have been advocating.

But that is completely off the point. No amount of humanly produced “proof” can set aside a single statement of scripture.

Your claim, therefore, is that all of the genetic and mathematical evidence of ubiquity is invalid because all of said evidence is "humanly produced"?

 

[seventysevens]

Your claim, therefore, is that all of the genetic and mathematical evidence of ubiquity is invalid because all of said evidence is "humanly produced"?

Given DNA's complete irrelevance to God, it should also be of complete irrelevance to us.

Exactly right; DNA has no value in biblical terms

So why is it that you continue to bring that no value in biblical terms matter in the forum at least 4 dozen times ?

 

[jgr]

So why is it that you continue to bring that no value in biblical terms matter in the forum at least 4 dozen times ?

Because DNA's ubiquity is another example of DNA's irrelevance.

 

[seventysevens]

Because DNA's ubiquity is another example of DNA's irrelevance.

Yea all humans have 99%+ same DNA and Always have linking everyone to Adam

 

[jgr]

Yea all humans have 99%+ same DNA and Always have

They didn't have Abraham's DNA until he began procreating.

We all do now.

 

[seventysevens]

They didn't have Abraham's DNA until he began procreating.

That is how it is done , just as God had planned it he had to have Eve first though - can't get it any other way procreating is fundamental

 

[jgr]

That is how it is done , just as god had planned it he had to have Eve first though - can't get it any other way procreating is fundamental

We agree completely on that.

 

[keras]

A strong delusion is mentioned in the New Testament: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

This delusion has people looking forward to the 2nd Coming (in the so called rapture to heaven, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in a rapture removal from the earth. The reality is, we experience His glorious salvation when we enter in to the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the Cross. Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come. Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24

And if the Lord does not save them, just as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 2 millennia, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11, Revelation 13:10 Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4

Jesus said: take care that you be not deceived..... Seems that many have been rather careless!

 

[seventysevens]

A strong delusion is mentioned in the New Testament: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

This delusion has people looking forward to the 2nd Coming (in the so called rapture to heaven, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in a rapture removal from the earth. The reality is, we experience His glorious salvation when we enter in to the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the Cross. Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come. Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24

And if the Lord does not save them, just as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 2 millennia, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11, Revelation 13:10 Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4

Jesus said: take care that you be not deceived..... Seems that many have been rather careless!

lol - you do not understand what 2 Thess is about - try reading it without all the preconceived notions you have and you will find exactly what the strong delusion is - it is solely for people that refuse to acknowledge the truth of Jesus - and so they will believe the lie of satan in the form of a Man of Sin who proclaims he is God and accept him as God -
this is what Jesus spoke of when he said :
24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

 

[seventysevens]

They didn't have Abraham's DNA until he began procreating.

there would be no 'they' in existence if Adam had not procreated

 

[SeventyOne]

Dispensationalists claim that Israel is not in all of us.
Jews claim that Israel is in all of us.
Your authors agree that Israel is in all of us.
Your authors are not dispensationalists.

That's almost the exact opposite point. People are finding specific tribal descendants in certain areas and the take away is we are all Israel? If we are all Israel, then none of us are distinctively Israel and these articles wouldn't exist. These are highly inconvenient for your position unless one just dismisses their significance without thought.

 

[BABerean2]

That's almost the exact opposite point. People are finding specific tribal descendants in certain areas and the take away is we are all Israel? If we are all Israel, then none of us are distinctively Israel and these articles wouldn't exist. These are highly inconvenient for your position unless one just dismisses their significance without thought.

I have ancestors who came from Ireland.
Do many people in Ireland have Jewish DNA?

I have never heard of any tribal markers except for the "Cohen" gene on the Y chromosome.
Can you give examples of others?


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[SeventyOne]

I have ancestors who came from Ireland.
Do many people in Ireland have Jewish DNA?

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If the point is that 'we are all Israel', then there would be no Jewish DNA distinguishable. Show me all the Amorite DNA descendants. You can't, because there's no way to tell them apart from any one else. By demonstrating the existence of Jewish DNA is counterproductive when attempting to prove there aren't any real Jews any longer. You guys trip on your own logic and don't even see it.

 

[BABerean2]

You guys trip on your own logic and don't even see it.

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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[jgr]

That's almost the exact opposite point. People are finding specific tribal descendants in certain areas and the take away is we are all Israel? If we are all Israel, then none of us are distinctively Israel and these articles wouldn't exist. These are highly inconvenient for your position unless one just dismisses their significance without thought.

That is precisely my point. If we are all Israel, then there is no subset of humanity that is Israel, and thus ethnicity cannot be a criterion for determining chosenness.

 

[jgr]

there would be no 'they' in existence if Adam had not procreated

There would be no "anyone" in existence if Adam had not procreated.