Rapture Wimpism

[keras]

If the point is that 'we are all Israel', then there would be no Jewish DNA distinguishable. Show me all the Amorite DNA descendants. You can't, because there's no way to tell them apart from any one else. By demonstrating the existence of Jewish DNA is counterproductive when attempting to prove there aren't any real Jews any longer. You guys trip on your own logic and don't even see it.

The only real Jews are as Paul says in Romans 2:29.
Ethnicity counts for nothing. Ephesians 2:11-18

 

[keras]

That's almost the exact opposite point. People are finding specific tribal descendants in certain areas and the take away is we are all Israel? If we are all Israel, then none of us are distinctively Israel and these articles wouldn't exist. These are highly inconvenient for your position unless one just dismisses their significance without thought.

Those people groups are just Jewish wannabees.
They have fooled the Jewish authorities and been able to migrate to Israel, where they have a much better life. They have nothing to do with actual descent from Judah, just practice Judaism.

 

[seventysevens]

There would be no "anyone" in existence if Adam had not procreated.

No that is not correct - There would be Adam and Eve which can be considered as "they" even if they did not procreate

 

[jgr]

No that is not correct - There would be Adam and Eve which can be considered as "they" even if they did not procreate

OK, I be corrected.

There would be no "anyone else" in existence if Adam and Eve had not procreated.

But they did, and so did Abraham and Sarah.

Resulting in Adam's and Eve's and Abraham's and Sarah's DNA in all of us.

 

[seventysevens]

OK, I be corrected.

There would be no "anyone else" in existence if Adam and Eve had not procreated.

But they did, and so did Abraham and Sarah.

Resulting in Abraham's (and Sarah's) DNA in all of us.

Adam and Eve's DNA as well and thousands of other people through the ages

 

[jgr]

Adam and Eve's DNA as well and thousands of other people through the ages

Exactly my point. So regarding Israel, it's in all of us, therefore there is no longer an identifiable subset of humanity which is Israel, therefore Israel is no longer a criterion of chosenness (unless you believe that therefore we are all chosen, which is a heresy known as universalism).

 

[seventysevens]

Exactly my point. So regarding Israel, it's in all of us, therefore there is no longer an identifiable subset of humanity which is Israel, therefore Israel is no longer a criterion of chosenness (unless you believe that therefore we are all chosen, which is a heresy known as universalism).

You can believe what you want , but using that idea then all humans are all races and ethnic people in various percentages - which in bible terms is not valuable to suggest that gentiles are Jews / Israel are now all the same , like a dog chasing it's tail , it is not significant to various scriptures , as there are various scriptures that pertain to Israel but not the church - it be crazy to spend all that time on something that will not change what scripture says

 

[shilohsfoal]

I have a question for you.
Would God want anyone to trust in a lie?

 

[jgr]

You can believe what you want , but using that idea then all humans are all races and ethnic people in various percentages - which in bible terms is not valuable to suggest that gentiles are Jews / Israel are now all the same , like a dog chasing it's tail , it is not significant to various scriptures , as there are various scriptures that pertain to Israel but not the church - it be crazy to spend all that time on something that will not change what scripture says

The Scriptures pertain to the faithful and obedient.

No one else.

 

[seventysevens]

The Scriptures pertain to the faithful and obedient.

No one else.

Nope , they pertain to both the saved and the lost , they show the lost what is happening in the world as per what God has declared, but it a foolish waste of time to focus on telling everyone is a Jew , might as well tell everyone they have DNA from all races of people , just like people born and raised in Russia have certain genetic characteristics , we know there are Russian Jews but not all Russians are Jews , and to make a issue to say they are because they have a drop of blood that may be Jewish is a foolish waste of time , just as you have said there is no biblical value and as such should just let it alone and forget about it

 

[jgr]

Nope , they pertain to both the saved and the lost , they show the lost what is happening in the world as per what God has declared, but it a foolish waste of time to focus on telling everyone is a Jew , might as well tell everyone they have DNA from all races of people , just like people born and raised in Russia have certain genetic characteristics , we know there are Russian Jews but not all Russians are Jews , and to make a issue to say they are because they have a drop of blood that may be Jewish is a foolish waste of time , just as you have said there is no biblical value and as such should just let it alone and forget about it

The Scripture's blessings pertain to the faithful and obedient.

I'll be more than happy to forget about it when those who preach a racial "gospel" forget about that.

 

[seventysevens]

The Scripture's blessings pertain to the faithful and obedient.

I'll be more than happy to forget about it when those who preach a racial "gospel" forget about that.

racial gospel .....hmmm.....must be some other nonsense that people that think a Jew can be a gentile and a gentile becomes a Jew conjured up .....appears your glass is tinted too darkly

 

[BABerean2]

racial gospel .....hmmm.....must be some other nonsense that people that think a Jew can be a gentile and a gentile becomes a Jew conjured up .....appears your glass is tinted too darkly

Have you ever heard of Ruth the Moabite?

She was in the line that produced the Messiah.

She was grafted into Israel, through faith.

The most important genealogy in the Bible is the one that produced Christ.

This is confirmed by Galatians 3:16.

Based on Galatians 3:16-29, I am Abraham's seed and heir to the promise.

The only way you can get your doctrine to work is by ignoring the two verse below.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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[seventysevens]

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


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So why are you not following what the scripture says ?
yet you on insist on avoiding what it says

 

[Chinchilla]

I have a question for you.
Would God want anyone to trust in a lie?

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[jgr]

racial gospel .....hmmm.....must be some other nonsense that people that think a Jew can be a gentile and a gentile becomes a Jew conjured up .....appears your glass is tinted too darkly

It's the nonsense that God views humanity through a racial lens in deciding who are His Chosen People.

 

[Chinchilla]

It's the nonsense that God views humanity through a racial lens in deciding who are His Chosen People.

Anybody after seed of Isaac is Israel .

 

[shilohsfoal]

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Ive always thought it was interesting the same cchapter that verse is in Paul gives a warning not to be deceived and that our gatheting to the lord at his coming will not precede a falling away and the son of perdition being revealed.
Ive often thought why is that so hard to understand yet the answer may have bein just that .

 

[shilohsfoal]

It's the nonsense that God views humanity through a racial lens in deciding who are His Chosen People.

You believe God cant chose who he wants?

 

[BABerean2]

You believe God cant chose who he wants?

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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