Rapture will happen..does it matter when?

[iamlamad]

A generation is not 40 years. The children of Israel who did not enter the promised land because they were afraid of the reports of giants in the land spent 40 years wandering in wilderness until that generation died off - but they were already adults to start with, so they would have been in their late sixties and seventies.

A generation in Psalms 90 is 70 years.

1967+70 = 2037 no later than that Jesus will return.

Instead of woe, woe, poor pitiful me.... someone was wrong about the timing of the Second Coming.... woe, woe, poor pitiful me.... walk with the King.... you can't go wrong. Stop your whining, walk with the King.

And 1948 plus 70 is 2018. I am expecting His coming FOR His church before then.

 

[iamlamad]

Try a different generation. The correct generation Jesus spoke of can also be found in Jeremiah 25 and Zechariah 1.
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How about the generation that sees earthquakes everywhere?
I did some research on the earthquake website, searching from 2016 back year by year on small earthquakes, under 6. There were SO MANY in recent years I had to go month by month. But as I went back in history I found that these small earthquakes started after 1948. And every year there is more. It is birth pains getting closer and closer. Of course this is also the generation that saw Israel become a nation.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Joe Green]

This thread is to discuss what is important. does it truly matter when the rapture happens? Or does it matter more what we do until then seeing as how the bible states that we will never know the time, day, month, or year?

THIS IS ONLY FOR DEBATE NOT CONVERTING.

If it gets to wild and people start hating on others beliefs then I will ask that he thread be taken down.

The object is to have a good healthy discussion with the KINGDOM and not single denominations.

I like to style myself as the Pentecostal Lutheran, I was raised Lutheran but now attend and am a leader at a Church of God (TN) church

Google, Rapture 2023, see how many are using.

 

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[faroukfarouk]

The part as to we won't know the day nor hour has to do with
when heaven and earth shall pass away. Matthew 25 is all set
for that time. The goats will go to everlasting fire, but first they will be cut asunder/beaten.
This is same time as the wheat and tares/chaff -the end of the
world.
Till almost the new earth time-the wheat and tares type of
people will still be growing on the face of the earth together.

Strongly Jewish background to Matthew; I'm not sure it's the church in view here. As I see it, the rapture is in view in 1 Thess. 4, the next big event for the church, not signs and wonders.

 

[Luke17:37]

Strongly Jewish background to Matthew; I'm not sure it's the church in view here. As I see it, the rapture is in view in 1 Thess. 4, the next big event for the church, not signs and wonders.

The resurrection precedes the "rapture" (gathering) of the survivors (this is clearly stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). The first resurrection includes the beheaded who don't take the mark of the beast in the Tribulation (Revelation 20:4-6... see Revelation 13 and 14 for more on the mark of the beast). The next big thing is the Tribulation and all its signs. After that, the return of Christ with the resurrection and the gathering.

Matthew 24 is for disciples of Jesus, whether Jewish or Gentile... just like everything else Jesus taught.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[faroukfarouk]

The resurrection precedes the "rapture" (gathering) of the survivors (this is clearly stated in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). The first resurrection includes the beheaded who don't take the mark of the beast in the Tribulation (Revelation 20:4-6... see Revelation 13 and 14 for more on the mark of the beast). The next big thing is the Tribulation and all its signs. After that, the return of Christ with the resurrection and the gathering.

Matthew 24 is for disciples of Jesus, whether Jewish or Gentile... just like everything else Jesus taught.

If you look at John 16.33, 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world', and then the tribulation of Matthew 24, it clearly refers to different things. One is the tribulation or affliction principle, the other is a unique event not directly linked to the church's longing hope for the coming of the Lord Jesus. We could go round and round on this, but I think it's most healthy to look Scripturally at what the church is to expect next, rather than thinking we need to look for signs and wonders - linked with the earth and Israel and the Lord's power and glory and judgment.

 

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[Luke17:37]

If you look at John 16.33, 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world', and then the tribulation of Matthew 24, it clearly refers to different things. One is the tribulation or affliction principle, the other is a unique event not directly linked to the church's longing hope for the coming of the Lord Jesus. We could go round and round on this, but I think it's most healthy to look Scripturally at what the church is to expect next, rather than thinking we need to look for signs and wonders - linked with the earth and Israel and the Lord's power and glory and judgment.

Indeed, people go round and round on here all the time. I'm not going to waste our time if your heart isn't open.

I don't think you're hearing me, Farouk. Pre-tribulation rapture is not in the Bible. Two or three verses are used to try to justify it, and a lot of teachers teach it and try to silence those who would question it but the Bible does not teach pre-Tribulation rapture (gathering). The Bible does teach that the time will come when people won't tolerate sound doctrine and they will heap up for themselves teachers who teach what they want to hear, which are fables (2 Timothy 4:3-4). 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is about salvation from the penalty of our sin (a place in the eternal Lake of Fire) not what happens to a believer in their physical life. The gathering of the surviving believers in Christ doesn't happen until after the resurrection, which includes saints slain in the Great Tribulation. It also happens at His coming, which is clearly described as post-Tribulation (the Great Tribulation). See Matthew 24:29-31, 2 Thessalonians 1-2 (esp. 2:1-4), Revelation 20:4-6. Jesus will stay in heaven until He comes back to restore all things (after the Great Tribulation and not before it) (Acts 3:21).

 

[Psalm3704]

How about the generation that sees earthquakes everywhere?
I did some research on the earthquake website, searching from 2016 back year by year on small earthquakes, under 6. There were SO MANY in recent years I had to go month by month. But as I went back in history I found that these small earthquakes started after 1948. And every year there is more. It is birth pains getting closer and closer. Of course this is also the generation that saw Israel become a nation.

They're the signs of the birth pangs leading up to Daniel's 70th week as given by Christ. The numerous quakes are the cause of the massive death toll involving marine and wildlife across the globe found in the 4th seal. Revelation 6:8.

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/animal-deaths-birds-fish-end-times.html

As for Jeremiah 25, it's a prophecy revealing the length in time before the tribulation commence. Zechariah 1 (with Haggai 1-2) reveals the length in time before the construction of the 3rd temple, and when God turns His attention back to the Jewish people in Israel with blessings and prosperity. Both confirming what Christ calls a generation.









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[Psalm3704]

At verse 31, the time changed to when heaven and earth shall
pass away. Verse 37 is for that time.

Verse 31 tells you when the tribulation begins, when heaven and earth will pass away.

Verse 37 is for the time the tribulation begins. No one knows when it'll begin, but everyone will know when the tribulation ends because the bible tells us it's for 7 years. The bible even gives you the length in days in Daniel 12.

Bottom line. Christ was referring to the event of the rapture that no one knows the day and hour.

They are sealed by the seven angels to survive and later
restart Israel back in her land.

There are no 7 angels mentioned anywhere during the sealing of the 144,000.

Revelation 7:1-8 New King James Version (NKJV)
1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

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Who do you think is showing His face in the 6th seal?
This is the time of His appearing. He is coming in great
power and great glory

Are you trying to tell everyone you're the only person that knew this?

Thanks for letting us all know it's Jesus. We couldn't have figured it out who the Lamb was mentioned in the 6th seal.

Revelation 6:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!​

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[Straightshot]

The wrath of the Lamb is coming and when it does the whole world will know that His judgment has begun [Psalms 2; Revelation 6:12-17]

Revelation 6:12-17 is the portent that defines His coming judgment which will begin in chapter 8

The conditions of this portent will be prevalent throughout the tribulation period .... the same for the first 5 portents [seals]

The 7th portent [seal] tells of a short silence in heaven just before the judgments begin to fall

 

[Blade]

I sometimes wonder what I would think, feel if I was standing there and this guy.. this man this messiah that when He spoke the dead rose the wind the air listened. Where everything He said happened. That if I was standing there and He said He was going to leave and go make me a home. And if He left would come back and get me so where He is I will be. And then told me where He goes I know and how He goes. So I wonder WHEN would I believe He would come back and get me.

I cant speak for anyone but I would KNOW any moment. This messiah never lied. Then this other guy comes alone that had some great revilation from God tell us we all shall not sleep and talked about dead rise 1st then we which remain will be caught up with them. Well some of us thought we missed it already so he was helping us know He didnt come already..wow did I feel better. Then looking back on all this I was reminded of a Jewish wedding. How he would pay a price for her (bride) would go back to his fathers house to make them a place to live. She.. well she would stay here get ready but didnt know when he would come back and get her. About a year later he comes back with some friends and mostly at night. Makes a loud noise so she can know he is coming. He takes her back to his fathers house for about a week.

HAHA.. I was playing here as in if I was really there. Yet everything I wrote is true. See I dont follow pre-mid- post. See for ME and I am just talking. But for me I just take Him at His word. For ME He went to make me a home and said He would come back and get me. So I live each day as if THIS is the day HE will come back. Now what I can not know is..if I am not watching not ready or do not believe..when He comes would I go? Would this GOD force me? See I dont follow what some person told me. This is what I get when I read His word. He will come get me.. He can not lie. When He told them.. He never lied. He does not know.. but He will come and I will be ready watching every moment of ever day. And I will not miss Him.

So when I am asked..this is what I myself personally share. You know JESUS? PRAISE GOD..your family! HE is what matters

 

[iamlamad]

The vials do not begin until the great tribulation is over.
The 6th seal is when the stars of heaven fall =after trib event.

sun shall be darkened/sun became black
/as after the trib sign

You've been wrong in everything I have ever seen you write. And you are certainly wrong here. God will use the vials to SHORTEN those days of GT.
The 6th seal comes before the 7th week even begins.

What did you do? Put Revelation into a blender, then paste all the pieces together again any which way? Surely you know that 6 comes before 7 and that 7 follows 6? John numbered these things for sequencing.