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I don't see where the confusion exists. When Christ appears he will raise the dead and judgment will take place. We will appear with him and judge the nations. Not really sure why this is confusing for you. That verse says nothing of a rapture.
It suggests that we have already died and been raised
Are you suggesting that there won't be a physical resurrection on the last day?
The last day I see as meaning the last day to gain salvation.
Sure , like other newborns I was given my SSN after I was born. Though I think it was an application thing way back then and now automatically assigned like today.Most people get their social security numbers as babies or very young children, which means they don't make a choice in the matter. You don't have one, or are you not an American? It's not required for buying or selling. I think it will be something like a credit/banking card on or in the skin that people will be required to have when they start working and paying for things. So faithful Christians will bravely walk away from jobs and homes... And the children who don't know Jesus may resent their parents for not getting the mark and turn them in to be killed. (Matthew 10:21).
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm merely pointing out that Colossians 3 says we are already raised. Lets compare that scripture to 1 Corinthians 15:44.
1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
The last day is the final day of this age.
John 6:39
John 6:40
John 6:44
John 6:54
John 11:24
John 12:48
Yes, spiritually we have been raised but the physical resurrection occurs on the last day.
Perhaps we are in that day already.
Are we sure?
The last day/as to just/ is only for the resurrection of the just time.
The wicked will after that go through the vials of God's wrath.
in the resurrection
not in all people being resurrected
but only those that gain eternal life from the grave
The last day lasts a long long time, but there is only one time of
raising the righteous that will get salvation.
No need to be contentious, I'm merely discussing, I'm not asserting anything.
Two instances surface. The Post Tribbers say you need to be ready to be tested thus you should face the truth, my reply is if you aren't always ready to die for our Lord something is wrong with your relationship with Jesus.This thread is to discuss what is important. does it truly matter when the rapture happens? Or does it matter more what we do until then seeing as how the bible states that we will never know the time, day, month, or year?
THIS IS ONLY FOR DEBATE NOT CONVERTING.
If it gets to wild and people start hating on others beliefs then I will ask that he thread be taken down.
The object is to have a good healthy discussion with the KINGDOM and not single denominations.
I like to style myself as the Pentecostal Lutheran, I was raised Lutheran but now attend and am a leader at a Church of God (TN) church
Sure , like other newborns I was given my SSN after I was born. Though I think it was an application thing way back then and now automatically assigned like today.
That meant my/our parents complied with the law.
And it is a part of being able to buy or sell. We can't legally obtain employment without a SSN so as to later obtain our W-2. We can't open a bank account or get credit cards without one.
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