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It has nothing to do with any prophecy. Revelation is not prophecy at all. It might seem to be because it's a genre that most of us are not familiar with, so we assume that it's prophecy; but it isn't. Once you get past that hurdle it's a lot easier to understand.Why do you say that? nothing to do with end time prophecy
Are you thinking the time Jesus spoke of was as to 70 AD or
what?
The fact that the word "prophesy" occurs in Revelation doesn't make it a work of prophecy. No more that the fact that the word "scientific" occurring in the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle makes Sherlock Holmes a scientific fact.The end of Rev. 10 refers to how John must prophesy again.
You miss my point. Just like any literature, the Bible consists of manifold genres. Revelation IS scripture, but it isn't prophecy. Much of scripture isn't prophecy. QEDSherlock Holmes is not a thus, saith the Lord piece of written
stories. Revelation is Scripture. prophesy - means just what it
says - to tell us prophecy messages.
The OT prophets of God prophesied and so did NT ones.
How do you interpret Revelation 1:1-3,19 ? That seem very clear that it is a work of prophecy coming from Jesus .The fact that the word "prophesy" occurs in Revelation doesn't make it a work of prophecy. No more that the fact that the word "scientific" occurring in the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle makes Sherlock Holmes a scientific fact.
John's Revelation isn't prophecy.
The scriptures show that the purpose of Daniel's seventieth week (the period that people commonly call "the tribulation) is to bring Israel to repentance. And they clearly state that this program will be successful. They do not even so much as imply that its purpose is to purify the church.
This theory that the tribulation is intended to purify the church has its roots in serious bad doctrine. For our purification was completed in the blood that our perfect sacrifice, our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, shed on the cross. And any doctrine that casts even a shadow on the perfect completion of His sacrifice, attacks the very foundation of "the faith once delivered to the saints."
Those who are going in the rapture already have the power of God working in their life to prepare them for that day. Those who are not going are easy to identify because they do not believe in the rapture and they can tell you that they are not going to go in the rapture. All of this is designed to show who is a part of us and who does not belong. So this is all really pretty convent that we can know who is who. "According to your faith be it unto you."Any denial that the rapture will take place is a denial of explicitly stated scripture, and is therefore rank unbelief.
Those who are going in the rapture already have the power of God working in their life to prepare them for that day. Those who are not going are easy to identify because they do not believe in the rapture and they can tell you that they are not going to go in the rapture. All of this is designed to show who is a part of us and who does not belong. So this is all really pretty convent that we can know who is who. "According to your faith be it unto you."
1John2:19
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
If that is what you believe then you must believe that you are going to through the Tribulation. Does that mean you are a survivalist who plans to get off the grid to get through the trib?the Bible talks about that happening after the Tribulation
Biblewriter, I believe you are making too many absolutes out of something which is at best highly disputed amongst lovers of the Lord... for the last 2000 years.
I must admit, I think your logic and reasoning about a pre-trib "rapture" is extremely flimsy. 1 Thess 4 is not clear enough to build a doctrine on or use as a cornerstone. Having said that, I don't believe that my beliefs (Amill, partial preterism, etc) are bulletproof either; it's just that I think they have less logical holes than the pre-trib/Mill beliefs.
Regarding Greenguzzi's statement that Revelation is not prophecy, I think this is reasonably true. It's apocalyptic literature. We must remember that apocalyptic does NOT mean "of the end times". It's just what it has come to mean in reasonably modern times. Also - - see that Greenguzzi is not from the USA. Neither am I. Notice that there are very few people on here who believe in the Pre-mill and "rapture" ideas who are not from the USA. Something to think about.
Not just those. I wouldn't even say they were the usual positions globally. There is also "no-trib". Not everyone is a pre-millennialist. I believe that scripture points to amillennialism.The usual positions on the timing of this event are:
pre-trib
mid-trib
pre-wrath
post-trib
ALL of these positions are call this event "the rapture."
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