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Christ knew the Apostles would be the leaders of His Church, because He could see the future. The Great Commission to the Church is at the end of Matthew's Gospel.
Almost all of the first Christians were Jews.agreed
So, stop with Darby's "Rightly Dividing the Word" nonsense. so I should not compare scripture with scripture like God word calls all believers to do?
When Darby first told Brethren leader Benjamin Newton about his division of scripture, Newton told him he might as well abandon the Church and that this was worse than the secret rapture.
PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418
Newton is a baby believer or unsaved ...your point
By your "logic" And B.I.C. is in his continued failure to further refine those distinctions Darby had only begun to see.
You call yourself BABerean, yeah, sure...
By your "logic" BAB, Columbus was wrong as to the Earth being round, as - FOR CENTURIES - few had believed it so.
By your logic, Martin Luther was wrong about Justification by Faith, as untold millions throughout Eutope had - FOR CENTURIES - believed otherwise.
By your logic, Roger Bannister was wrong to believe what practically no one before him had believed possible - that the 4 Minute Mile he proved possible - was possible.
By your logic, those noble Bereans had been wrong as to what was by the time of Acts 17:11, the commonly held consensus - that Christ had NOT been the Christ.
By your logic, Steve Jobs was wrong to have believed what IBM's, ingenious founder in his own right had believed impossible - the worldwide use of the Personal Computer one day.
By yours and Newton's "logic" Darby was wrong to have believed a doctrine Paul fights for throughout his writings ended up lost, as "all they which are of Asia be turned from me."
Darby was not wrong - you are. And B.I.C. is in his continued failure to further refine those distinctions Darby had only begun to see.
You call yourself BABerean, yeah, sure...
setircopyh6etah6em6 said in post 173:
One taken. One left.
setircopyh6etah6em6 said in post 173:
As it was in the days.. people were eating and drinking.
True ... but what does an Law believer have to believe to become a Christian? both are saved but the body and Bride of Christ have the Best promises 2 peter 1:4, Heb 8:6, 11:39-40
Almost all of the first Christians were Jews.agreed
So, stop with Darby's "Rightly Dividing the Word" nonsense. so I should not compare scripture with scripture like God word calls all believers to do?
When Darby first told Brethren leader Benjamin Newton about his division of scripture, Newton told him he might as well abandon the Church and that this was worse than the secret rapture. [/color][/b]
PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418
Newton is a baby believer or unsaved ...your point
WAIT! WHOA! STOP!
HOW do you know Jesus could "see the future?" Did you forget that Jesus laid aside His Godly attributes to become a MAN? ALL Jesus knew of the future was ONLY what the Holy Spirit had told Him. Remember, He only spoke what He HEARD. For example, He did not know who touched Him. At that time, I doubt if He knew the nation of Israel would reject Him as their Messiah and that God would turn to the Gentiles. We really don't know, because the gospels don't tell us.
So I would not have answered "true."
LAMAD
Danoh,
I must have touched a nerve. I sounds like the nerve is attached to John Nelson Darby.
The doctrine Darby brought to America had it's origin in a book written by a Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza and Edward Irving's English translation and publication of the book in 1827. His "Secret Rapture" doctrine had it's origin in the so-called "vision" of a teenage girl in 1830. This is the doctrine your are promoting. Most Dispensationalists have avoided the origin of their doctrine like the plague.
According to Dispensationalist Dr. Charles Ryrie, Darby became interested in prophecy at one of the Albury conferences. (page 170, "Dispensationalism" by Dr. Charles Ryrie, former professor at Dallas Theological Seminary) Edward Irving presented doctrine from the Jesuit book at the Albury conferences.
Watch the video in the link below, if you really want the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4RS5pDntQ
True ... but what does an Law believer have to believe to become a Christian? both are saved but the body and Bride of Christ have the Best promises 2 peter 1:4, Heb 8:6, 11:39-40
WAIT! WHOA! STOP!
HOW do you know Jesus could "see the future?" Did you forget that Jesus laid aside His Godly attributes to become a MAN? ALL Jesus knew of the future was ONLY what the Holy Spirit had told Him. Remember, He only spoke what He HEARD. For example, He did not know who touched Him. At that time, I doubt if He knew the nation of Israel would reject Him as their Messiah and that God would turn to the Gentiles. We really don't know, because the gospels don't tell us.
So I would not have answered "true."
LAMAD
Only head's up. Full speed ahead my brother!! The Godman Jesus was united with God at conception who was, is, and will be, in union with the other two divine Persons....His human nature was supported by his divine nature.... He knew everything even before creation.
Old Jack's opinion
btw regarding BABarean2's posit, better take notes, not only on the money, but coherent, lucid and to the point.
True ... but what does an Law believer have to believe to become a Christian? both are saved but the body and Bride of Christ have the Best promises 2 peter 1:4, Heb 8:6, 11:39-40
Almost all of the first Christians were Jews.agreed
So, stop with Darby's "Rightly Dividing the Word" nonsense. so I should not compare scripture with scripture like God word calls all believers to do?
When Darby first told Brethren leader Benjamin Newton about his division of scripture, Newton told him he might as well abandon the Church and that this was worse than the secret rapture. [/COLOR][/B]
PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418
Newton is a baby believer or unsaved ...your point
It is unfortunate that when we cannot win an argument sometimes we end up making a personal attack upon an individual.
Your labeling of Benjamin Newton as "a baby believer or unsaved" is a sad commentary.
He was known as one of the greatest Bible scholars of his day. Even modern scholars who may disagree with his eschatology have shown their respect for this man of God.
His number one sin in the view to some, was to disagree with John Darby.
The evidence of his service to Christ can be found in the link below.
John Nelson Darby and the Brethren Assemblies - Spreading
True ... but what does an Law believer have to believe to become a Christian? both are saved but the body and Bride of Christ have the Best promises 2 peter 1:4, Heb 8:6, 11:39-40
It is unfortunate that when we cannot win an argument sometimes we end up making a personal attack upon an individual.
Your labeling of Benjamin Newton as "a baby believer or unsaved" is a sad commentary.
He was known as one of the greatest Bible scholars of his day. Even modern scholars who may disagree with his eschatology have shown their respect for this man of God.
His number one sin in the view to some, was to disagree with John Darby.
The evidence of his service to Christ can be found in the link below.
John Nelson Darby and the Brethren Assemblies - Spreading
Mystery of 1 cor 15:51-53 is a maturity growth and to state that it will not happen states that he is a child according to 1 jn 2:14 since he does not abide in God's word
2 pt 1:20-21
Jn 1:1
Mystery of 1 cor 15:51-53 is a maturity growth and to state that it will not happen states that he is a child according to 1 jn 2:14 since he does not abide in God's word
2 pt 1:20-21
Jn 1:1
Please give me milk.
I am not ready for solid food, because I do not follow the teachings of John Nelson Darby.
I am a spiritual infant.
Brother, thank you for correcting me.
Personally, I don't follow Darby, as I am Mid-Acts, and he was what: Matthew 16?
He was also of the persuasion that the Body of Christ is the Bride of Christ. I am not.
And also...
In studying Dispensational Theology it has become obvious that some want to distance themselves from Darby, however most dispensationalists are not willing to completely give up on the doctrine. It is as if they are trying to remove the rotten parts of the fruit. Progressive Dispensationalism is one example. Many of them have abandoned the pretrib doctrine, but cling to what remains.
I will have to admit, your stand on "Mid-Acts" was a new one to me.
The following is the opinion of Jerry Johnson, who is a former dispensationalist.
Not only did he let go of it, but he is sounding the alarm about Darby.
So Babarean, so far you've given us names of so many people that supports the Pre-Trib theory. People like John Darby, Tim LaHaye, Martin Luther, Margaret MacDonald, Grant Jefferies, Manuel Lacunza and Benjamin Newton. That's a lot of famous dispensationalist.
Now, can you name one famous person on your side of the fence that support your eschatology of Christ returning at the 7th trumpet? (other then Irvin Baxter)
:o......I didn't think so!
By the way, Christ returning at the 7th trumpet does not make you post-trib. You might want to consult with them about it.
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I'm in full support of BABarean's posts and even of a lower paygrade than the antithesis of any scholar thus cannot get any lower than my opinion.
Old Jack's lower of the lowest paygrade's opinion
Always appreciate your words and you sir
So Babarean, so far you've given us names of so many people that supports the Pre-Trib theory. People like John Darby, Tim LaHaye, Martin Luther, Margaret MacDonald, Grant Jefferies, Manuel Lacunza and Benjamin Newton. That's a lot of famous dispensationalist.
Now, can you name one famous person on your side of the fence that support your eschatology of Christ returning at the 7th trumpet? (other then Irvin Baxter)
:o......I didn't think so!
By the way, Christ returning at the 7th trumpet does not make you post-trib. You might want to consult with them about it.
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You're an exception to the rules, so thanks for replying.
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