MoonLancer said:
but instead you find that a loaf of bread is quite complex and there are questions which you simply cannot answer in regard to this act of creation.
Um ... MoonLancer ... the focus should actually be on the raisins, not the bread.
And with that, you've destroyed your own argument, for anything containing
ingredients cannot be the product of
Creatio ex nihilo. And why's that? Because
the ingredients have to be in existence beforehand.
Your magic bread could
only have been made
after its constituent ingredients became available, so God could not have made the raisin bread until day 6 of the Genesis creation account. Raisins come from grapes and butter, eggs and milk from animals, and the Bible tells us that vegetation was created
before animals, so there is written evidence that he could just have made a raisin bread on day 3, but it would lack the butter, eggs and milk. Therefore, even in a biblical context,
Creatio-ex-nihilo-raisin-bread contains history.
Some of the ingredients, like the flour and butter, are processed foods. If the bread were to be examined in detail and there is evidence that the flour had been ground from grain, then God is being deceptive because an 'instant' loaf cannot be made from pre-processed materials. If yeast cells are found in the loaf, it means either it was set to rise, in which case it can't be 'instant', or God made it
appear it was left to rise and therefore was being deceptive in adding cells that were not actually required in its making.
If no ingredients show evidence of processing the cow was not milked, the butter was not churned, the flour was not ground, the eggs had not been broken, the raisins had not been dried from grapes then God is again being deceptive in making what might
look like a raisin loaf, but which was actually a synthetic imitation more like a plastic model in a bakery shop window and probably having a ghastly taste.
The raisins represent old things found in the earth; and just like dry* grapes enhance the bread, old things enhance the earth.
* Notice I am avoiding the use of the word 'dried', since the grapes came into existence already dried -- thus no passage of time necessitated.
That just proves my point above. I don't know why I participate in such silly threads!