Raisin Bread

[BananaSlug]

If God created a loaf of raisin bread ex nihilo tomorrow, would you accuse Him of deception?

Yes. Unless he left physical evidence that it was created ex nihilo.

 

[driewerf]

Earlier, in another thread:




I want to take the challenge here.

Look, let's for a while step into your nonsens and admit creation ex nihilo.
(Emphasizing: just for a while!)
Yes a loaf of bread would have embedded age. The raisins needed to look dried etc. Idem ditto (because that is what you 're aiming at): Adam had to bee mature. Otherwise he coulded function.

But.
The Earth and the Universe show so much unnecessary age and history.
There was no need for the thousands of extincted fossil species. There was no need for sedimentary rock layers, there was no need for traces of at least for major Ice Ages.
There was no need for glace layers extending to 160 000 years.
There was no need for magnetic strips on the floor of the Atlantic showing a spread of the ocean from at least 180 million years.

When we look at astronomy we see even more old features that are "unnecessary" for a non-deceptive creator.
We see white dwarfs, neutron stars and other very old stars. We see supernovas exploding - proof of stellar evolution and aging.
What is the purpose to create neutron stars which we can only detect wirth radio telescopes? What other prupose would they have except to be deceptive.

You will have to explain all this examples (and many others to come) before claiming yor god is not deceptive. Because all these features shout an old age. Say loud and clear Genesis is wrong.

But also above all: you are deceptive by claiming your fictious loaf of bread on equallity with all the observed features in the Universe. These features have all been observed. Your loaf of bread has not.

hmm, hmm, AV1611VET.

 

[AV1611VET]

hmm, hmm, AV1611VET.

Hmm, what?

What does raisin bread have to do with extinct fossils, sedimentary rock layers, traces of @ least 4 major ice ages, glacial layers extending to 160,000 years, magnetic strips on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean, white dwarf and neutron stars, supernovas and radio telescopes?

You must have one doosey of a kitchen!

 

[MoonLancer]

Hmm, what?

What does raisin bread have to do with extinct fossils, sedimentary rock layers, traces of @ least 4 major ice ages, glacial layers extending to 160,000 years, magnetic strips on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean, white dwarf and neutron stars, supernovas and radio telescopes?

beats me.

your the one trying to passively connect the two.

 

[AV1611VET]

Looks like the nays have it.

 

[Split Rock]

Looks like the nays have it.

Yeah... 4 vs. 3. Woopee!! Yet another in a long list of useless and senseless threads you have started here.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah... 4 vs. 3. Woopee!! Yet another in a long list of useless and senseless threads you have started here.

More people need to get out and vote.

 

[Kylie]

And another in a long list of threads you have necro'd here...

I mean, the person you are replying to hasn't even been here since 2017...

 

[AV1611VET]

And another in a long list of threads you have necro'd here...

I mean, the person you are replying to hasn't even been here since 2017...

Rocky and I had some interesting exchanges!

I wish he would come back.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Rocky and I had some interesting exchanges!

I wish he would come back.

So this necro-posting is an analogy to prayer - a hopeful appeal to an entity you wish was present or listening?

 

[AV1611VET]

So this necro-posting is an analogy to prayer - a hopeful appeal to an entity you wish was present or listening?

All I said was, "More people need to get out and vote."

Then, all of a sudden, I'm talking to Rocky, who hasn't been here in years, or I'm talking to God?

Solid aurum.

Had I been talking to Rocky, I would have quoted one of his posts in my reply.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

All I said was, "More people need to get out and vote."

Then, all of a sudden, I'm talking to Rocky, who hasn't been here in years, or I'm talking to God?

Solid aurum.

Had I been talking to Rocky, I would have quoted one of his posts in my reply.

You responded to the absent Rocky's post and said you wish he would come back. I just pointed out that it's a familiar Christian pattern of wishful thinking behaviour

 

[AV1611VET]

You responded to the absent Rocky's post and said you wish he would come back.

I did not.

I was responding to the absent Kylie's post and said I wish he would come back.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I did not.

I was responding to the absent Kylie's post and said I wish he would come back.

You responded to Rocky's post in #67, and in response to Kylie's post you said (#69), "Rocky and I had some interesting exchanges!
I wish he would come back."

The 'he' only makes semantic and grammatical sense referring to Rocky.

 

[Kylie]

You responded to Rocky's post in #67, and in response to Kylie's post you said (#69), "Rocky and I had some interesting exchanges!
I wish he would come back."

The 'he' only makes semantic and grammatical sense referring to Rocky.

Then technically, to extend your analogy, AV was directing the prayer to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

You guys keep yakkin', while I go to READ ONLY mode.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You guys keep yakkin', while I go to READ ONLY mode.

At last...

 

[MIDutch]

So, if there was NO evidence left behind, of any kind (the loaf of raisin bread just appearing on a table) it could be a "god" (which one of the thousands that have been worshiped would not be clear) ... or it could be your mother secretly leaving it there for you and you just didn't see her and there is no evidence that it wasn't her (since there was no evidence left behind).

Occam's Razor anyone?

 

[AV1611VET]

(the loaf of raisin bread just appearing on a table)

You left two key words out: "ex nihilo."

That effectively leaves my mother out of the picture.

 

[MIDutch]

You left two key words out: "ex nihilo."

That effectively leaves my mother out of the picture.

Not true.

ex nihilo means "out of nothing". To you, the raisin bread just appeared "out of nothing". It could very easily have been your mother walking in, conjuring it up with her wand and a magic spell, and then leaving without telling you it was her. Leaving behind NO EVIDENCE.