Quote on racism: Agree/Disagree and why?

[Yttrium]

How large do we need to get it? Their congregation did not turn them out. Their town did not turn them out. Their county did not turn them out. Their state did not turn them out. Can we hold the state, at least, responsible? And doesn't it matter that all the people who give them moral support and make excuses for them to this day are the same ethnic group?

It's not a matter of how large the group is. There were probably members of their community that did not attend the lynching. There may have been some who were opposed to the lynching who weren't there... because they were opposed to the lynching.

Punish the people directly responsible. Don't attach guilt by association. If the state law enforcement condoned the lynching, then the state law enforcement should be held partly responsible.

 

[Larniavc]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

Very well said. But I would hazard that he is talking about the idea that all white people are villains.

And that is a straw man.

 

[RDKirk]

How did the United States target, or lay responsibility upon all Germans and all Japanese during WW-2?

The Allied bombs did not have street addresses of the guilty Germans and Japanese, or avoid the individuals who were not complicit in their nations' criminal actions.

 

[RDKirk]

It's not a matter of how large the group is. There were probably members of their community that did not attend the lynching. There may have been some who were opposed to the lynching who weren't there... because they were opposed to the lynching.

Punish the people directly responsible. Don't attach guilt by association. If the state law enforcement condoned the lynching, then the state law enforcement should be held partly responsible.

The ones who do not want to be counted in the group need to have separated themselves from the group. Remaining in the group, they not only give moral support to the criminals, but also benefit from the crimes.

And this also applies to "no snitch" codes in urban areas.

 

[Yttrium]

The ones who do not want to be counted in the group need to have separated themselves from the group. Remaining in the group, they not only give moral support to the criminals, but also benefit from the crimes.

True. I'm all for arresting everyone in the photograph. It's a lynch mob, not an entire ethnic group.

 

[RDKirk]

True. I'm all for arresting everyone in the photograph. It's a lynch mob, not an entire ethnic group.

Looked like a party of regular folk to me. The "lynch mob" was certainly among them, but those who showed up for moral support were regular folk.

The entire community turned out for this one:

Lynching.jpg (982×648) (washingtonpost.com)

How about this one, with children in happy attendance:

1501114493951-JVYGSZTRV0Z3JGLOH2YS (330×330) (squarespace-cdn.com)

 

[Eftsoon]

Just to clarify/make it abundantly clear, he is really saying that the recent discussion about European 'white' guilt is the worst example of racism. As quoted (perhaps out of context) it reads like a dog whistle.

 

[Eftsoon]

True. I'm all for arresting everyone in the photograph. It's a lynch mob, not an entire ethnic group.

Most people at that time had a finger or something dismembered preserved in vinegar on the mantelpiece. 'Trophies' were de rigeur.

 

[Yttrium]

Looked like a party of regular folk to me. The "lynch mob" was certainly among them, but those who showed up for moral support were regular folk.

>_<

Make up your mind.

I really don't understand what kind of point you're trying to make here. I don't see how it relates to the idea of holding an entire ethnic group responsible.

 

[atpollard]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

Disagree.

Lynching a black man for allegedly touching a white woman and gathering to have pictures taken with the dangling corpse seems more “racist” than most of what passes for ‘hate’ in this snowflake culture of the new millennium. So some things ARE more racist “than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.”

 

[A_Thinker]

I think it would be a mistake to look at the fact that blacks own 1/10th the wealth of white Americans and assume this is due to slavery, while totally ignoring the fact that blacks on average wear more expensive clothes than whites, more jewelry, spend more on their hair, more likely to drive cars with expensive aftermarket parts (expensive stereo, wheels, etc) far more likely to be run by single parent (one income vs 2 income household), less likely to invest whatever extra money they do have and countless other things that have nothing to do with slavery, but results in less wealth.

Do you really think that the wealth gap is due to blacks spending more ... per capita ?

That would imply that you believe that blacks have equal earning power to whites today ... ?

 

[RDKirk]

Looked like a party of regular folk to me. The "lynch mob" was certainly among them, but those who showed up for moral support were regular folk.

The entire community turned out for this one:

Lynching.jpg (982×648) (washingtonpost.com)

How about this one, with children in happy attendance:

1501114493951-JVYGSZTRV0Z3JGLOH2YS (330×330) (squarespace-cdn.com)

You're trying to assert that there is a valid distinction between the individuals who actually pulled the rope and all the rest who gave them moral support and who benefitted from their actions.

My assertion is that those who support the criminals and benefit from their crimes are complicit in the criminal act.

 

[RDKirk]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

Even more racist is targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime when no crime has even been committed. It's not as though a boat of Africans had first sailed to America and lay siege to Charleston.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think it would be a mistake to look at the fact that blacks own 1/10th the wealth of white Americans and assume this is due to slavery, while totally ignoring the fact that blacks on average wear more expensive clothes than whites, more jewelry, spend more on their hair, more likely to drive cars with expensive aftermarket parts (expensive stereo, wheels, etc) far more likely to be run by single parent (one income vs 2 income household), less likely to invest whatever extra money they do have and countless other things that have nothing to do with slavery, but results in less wealth.

Oh wow. Your ignorance about everything that blacks suffered after slavery (that negatively impacted their ability to build wealth) is shocking. No wonder the threads around here are so stupid if that’s what people believe.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

I think Mr Peterson has perhaps lived a pretty sheltered life if that’s the most racist thing he can think of.

 

[hislegacy]

There are a lot of War Genners and Boomers alive today who are guilty of denying full citizenship to members of a particular race.

Then those specific individuals should be held accountable for their actions - not their grandchildren. Would you agree?

The nation exists today in the shadow of such historical realities ... which persists today to some extent, to create social inequality today ... for instance, the fact that black Americans, on average, possess 1/10th of the wealth of white Americans.

This is not surprising fact, given that slaves owned virtually nothing when they were freed 150 years ago ... oh, and no forty acres or a mule ...

The current historical reality is that there is nobody - zero people around today from the 16-1800's or even from 150 years ago.

If an entire ethnic group is guilty of genocide I think that is not very racist to point it out.

Should we do that with Germans today? After all they were responsible for the Genocide of Gypsy's, the infirmed and Jews - what should be done with them?

Or How about the Japanese - they committed genocide in China

 

[hislegacy]

Disagree.

Lynching a black man for allegedly touching a white woman and gathering to have pictures taken with the dangling corpse seems more “racist” than most of what passes for ‘hate’ in this snowflake culture of the new millennium. So some things ARE more racist “than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.”

Lynching is abhorrent and should be prosecuted.

Holding the great grandchildren of those doing the lynching responsible for their actions is rediculous.

 

[Ken-1122]

The Allied bombs did not have street addresses of the guilty Germans and Japanese, or avoid the individuals who were not complicit in their nations' criminal actions.

Bombing German and Japanese cities that are considered "military targets" is not the same as blaming all Germans and Japanese people.

 

[Ken-1122]

Do you really think that the wealth gap is due to blacks spending more ... per capita ?

That would imply that you believe that blacks have equal earning power to whites today ... ?

I believe it was Thomas Sowell who did a response survey to blacks having 1/10th the wealth of whites, and his survey was comparing black families headed by 2 parents with white families headed by 2 parents, and this was done over a series of years and though the white families always made more, the difference was always in the single digits. But when you look at all households (3 times as many single black households than whites) somehow we get this 90% discrepancy.

 

[Ken-1122]

Oh wow. Your ignorance about everything that blacks suffered after slavery (that negatively impacted their ability to build wealth) is shocking. No wonder the threads around here are so stupid if that’s what people believe.

What I mentioned has nothing to do with what blacks suffered after slavery, it has to do with what blacks are doing TODAY!