Quote on racism: Agree/Disagree and why?

[hislegacy]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

 

[iluvatar5150]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

I can think of a lot of things more racist than that.

 

[A_Thinker]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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What about stealing the land of an indigenous race ?

What about enslaving those of another race ?

What about denying full citizenship to members of a particular race ?

 

[Mark Quayle]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Sounds like a good bit of hyperbole there, but there is something to it.

 

[Fantine]

We are all guilty of stereotyping. We just tend to stereotype different groups of people.

 

[hislegacy]

What about stealing the land of an indigenous race ?

What about enslaving those of another race ?

What about denying full citizenship to members of a particular race ?

Who alive today has done this?

 

[jayem]

We are all guilty of stereotyping. We just tend to stereotype different groups of people.

Sad, but true. Racial, religious, ethnic, and all varieties of stereotyping and prejudice are rooted in the fact that Homo sapiens is a tribalistic species. We evolved from hominids living in smallish clans and family tribes. There was survival value in being wary, if not antagonistic towards members of other tribes who were competitors for resources. So an instinct to be suspicious and distrustful towards those different from ourselves was favored by natural selection. But it became problematic as humans developed organized societies, living near each other. And it's even more maladaptive in the modern world when people of different races, religions, and ethnicities are all living together. Like other mental traits, our tribalistic tendencies can vary in strength from person to person. And they can be suppressed, or reinforced, by learning and acculturation. But tribalism is fundamentally an aspect of human psychology. It's part of the evolutionary baggage we've inherited from our prehistoric ancestors. And I'm afraid the only way to eliminate it is by further evolution.

 

[RDKirk]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

I greatly respect Peterson's command of logic, but that is a stupid statement (at least taken out of context as it is).

If a collective crime has been committed, then it is logical and practical to lay responsibility upon the entire ethnic group that committed the crime, "regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals."

The US literally did target entire ethnic groups in WWII. We know for a fact there were individual Germans who were opposed to the collective crimes of Germany and Japan. I've personally met some of those people. But it was practical and logical to lay responsibility upon the entire ethnic group, and as well, logical to recognize individuals who have separated (notice the perfect tense) themselves from that ethnic group.

 

[RDKirk]

Who alive today has done this?

There are a lot of War Genners and Boomers alive today who are guilty of denying full citizenship to members of a particular race.

 

[A_Thinker]

Who alive today has done this?

The nation exists today in the shadow of such historical realities ... which persists today to some extent, to create social inequality today ... for instance, the fact that black Americans, on average, possess 1/10th of the wealth of white Americans.

This is not surprising fact, given that slaves owned virtually nothing when they were freed 150 years ago ... oh, and no forty acres or a mule ...

 

[Belk]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

If an entire ethnic group is guilty of genocide I think that is not very racist to point it out.

 

[Yttrium]

There's nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals.

~ Jordan Peterson (Canadian Clinical Psychologist)
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Thoughts? Please address the statement above.

Racist, yes. But I can think of things more racist. Like racist mass murder. Racist mass slavery. Etc.

 

[Yttrium]

If an entire ethnic group is guilty of genocide I think that is not very racist to point it out.

I have a hard time imagining an entire ethnic group being responsible. Surely there would be individuals who would not participate.

 

[RDKirk]

I have a hard time imagining an entire ethnic group being responsible. Surely there would be individuals who would not participate.

But did they leave? Take a look at the common, ordinary people in the photograph at this link. I'm sure not everyone in this picture had a hand on the ropes that were tied around the necks of these lynching victims. his picture held up a match to light the still-living bodies.

But did they leave? No, they did not leave. They remained, and their presence gave moral support to the ones who actually performed the act.

GettyImages-514693420.jpg (3543×1934) (teenvogue.com)

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sounds like a good bit of hyperbole there, but there is something to it.

Agreed about the hyperbole -- anyone who thinks that is as bad as it gets has no concept of the human capacity for atrocity.

 

[Yttrium]

But did they leave? Take a look at the common, ordinary people in the photograph at this link. I'm sure not everyone in this picture had a hand on the ropes that were tied around the necks of these lynching victims. his picture held up a match to light the still-living bodies.

But did they leave? No, they did not leave. They remained, and their presence gave moral support to the ones who actually performed the act.

GettyImages-514693420.jpg (3543×1934) (teenvogue.com)

That's not an entire ethnic group. That's a lynch mob.

 

[Ken-1122]

Who alive today has done this?

Still applies. Just because some individuals of a race or ethnicity may be guilty of such crimes, it would be wrong to blame all members of that race or ethnicity of that crime.

 

[RDKirk]

That's not an entire ethnic group. That's a lynch mob.

How large do we need to get it? Their congregation did not turn them out. Their town did not turn them out. Their county did not turn them out. Their state did not turn them out. Can we hold the state, at least, responsible? And doesn't it matter that all the people who give them moral support and make excuses for them to this day are the same ethnic group?

 

[Ken-1122]

The nation exists today in the shadow of such historical realities ... which persists today to some extent, to create social inequality today ... for instance, the fact that black Americans, on average, possess 1/10th of the wealth of white Americans.


.This is not surprising fact, given that slaves owned virtually nothing when they were freed 150 years ago ... oh, and no forty acres or a mule ...

I think it would be a mistake to look at the fact that blacks own 1/10th the wealth of white Americans and assume this is due to slavery, while totally ignoring the fact that blacks on average wear more expensive clothes than whites, more jewelry, spend more on their hair, more likely to drive cars with expensive aftermarket parts (expensive stereo, wheels, etc) far more likely to be run by single parent (one income vs 2 income household), less likely to invest whatever extra money they do have and countless other things that have nothing to do with slavery, but results in less wealth.

 

[Ken-1122]

I greatly respect Peterson's command of logic, but that is a stupid statement (at least taken out of context as it is).

If a collective crime has been committed, then it is logical and practical to lay responsibility upon the entire ethnic group that committed the crime, "regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals."

The US literally did target entire ethnic groups in WWII. We know for a fact there were individual Germans who were opposed to the collective crimes of Germany and Japan. I've personally met some of those people. But it was practical and logical to lay responsibility upon the entire ethnic group, and as well, logical to recognize individuals who have separated (notice the perfect tense) themselves from that ethnic group.

How did the United States target, or lay responsibility upon all Germans and all Japanese during WW-2?