Questions about origins of life timeline

[EternalDragon]

Come back to me when you can give a clear definition of kind. Until then you have nothing.

I thought you already just did that.

 

[lasthero]

They are exactly where they prefer to be.

The hotspots you're referring to are thousands of base pairs long. This has been explained to you numerous times. It isn't like an ant being on a sugar cube, it's like an ant always being on a specific sugar cube in a gigantic tray full of sugar cubes.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Whatever reason you feel it might be doesn't matter, you consider the monkeys and chimps kinfolk. Cousins basically. (the only reasons are same state past based misinterpretations of processes and nature)

We don't literally think of them as we would our human cousins, cousin is just a word used to describe how the evolutionary relationship looks between humans and chimpanzees, since we are closely related but are still very different from each other.

 

[dad]

We don't literally think of them as we would our human cousins, cousin is just a word used to describe how the evolutionary relationship looks between humans and chimpanzees, since we are closely related but are still very different from each other.

Cousin means kin. It is here that believers part ways forever with evos. Unless, of course the evo gets saved.

 

[EternalDragon]

The hotspots you're referring to are thousands of base pairs long. This has been explained to you numerous times. It isn't like an ant being on a sugar cube, it's like an ant always being on a specific sugar cube in a gigantic tray full of sugar cubes.

This is yet another example of scientists thinking they found something that supports evolution and jumping on it like lions to the kill. Yet it is not as cut and dried as you want it to be.

Integration site selection by retroviruses. [AIDS Rev. 2004 Jan-Mar] - PubMed - NCBI

PLOS Biology: Retroviral DNA Integration: ASLV, HIV, and MLV Show Distinct Target Site Preferences

Targeting Survival: Integration Site Selection by Retroviruses and LTR-Retrotransposons

 

[dad]

The hotspots you're referring to are thousands of base pairs long. This has been explained to you numerous times. It isn't like an ant being on a sugar cube, it's like an ant always being on a specific sugar cube in a gigantic tray full of sugar cubes.

In the former state, transfer was not the same as now. The hotspots are more like snowflakes.

 

[lasthero]

This is yet another example of scientists thinking they found something that supports evolution and jumping on it like lions to the kill. Yet it is not as cut and dried as you want it to be.

Integration site selection by retroviruses. [AIDS Rev. 2004 Jan-Mar] - PubMed - NCBI

PLOS Biology: Retroviral DNA Integration: ASLV, HIV, and MLV Show Distinct Target Site Preferences

Targeting Survival: Integration Site Selection by Retroviruses and LTR-Retrotransposons

Did you actually bother to read any of those links?

 

[EternalDragon]

We don't literally think of them as we would our human cousins, cousin is just a word used to describe how the evolutionary relationship looks between humans and chimpanzees, since we are closely related but are still very different from each other.

Really, we are so unrelated to any ape that we couldn't even call them the same anything. You are mistaking design for evolution.

 

[EternalDragon]

Did you actually bother to read any of those links?

What do you think I did? Closed my eyes and posted random links?

 

[lasthero]

What do you think I did? Closed my eyes and posted random links?

That would be my best guess. None of those links refute the point I made.

It's also pretty telling that, when complaining about the conclusions of scientists, you try argue against it using the work...of scientists.

 

[Kylie]

Really, we are so unrelated to any ape that we couldn't even call them the same anything. You are mistaking design for evolution.

And you are mistaking evolution for design.

Can you explain why we have features that make sense only if we evolved from earlier species of apes?

 

[Kylie]

I thought you already just did that.

And what definition for Kind did I provide? Because I don't recall doing it...

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you explain why we have features that make sense only if we evolved from earlier species of apes?

You think we do, but we don't.

What you are describing is what we call ontological reduction.

By way of mundane example:

A wheel can be a ship's wheel, or an automobile's steering wheel, or the wheel that operates a spigot.

 

[Kylie]

You think we do, but we don't.

What you are describing is what we call ontological reduction.

By way of mundane example:

A wheel can be a ship's wheel, or an automobile's steering wheel, or the wheel that operates a spigot.

If I have to choose between listening to the word of a guy who has made it very clear that he doesn't want to know how science and the real world works, and the vast numbers of scientists who study this stuff for a living, then I'm not going with you, okay?

The evidence from the real world says you are wrong, AV. What do you say about that?

 

[AV1611VET]

If I have to choose between listening to the word of a guy who has made it very clear that he doesn't want to know how science and the real world works, and the vast numbers of scientists who study this stuff for a living, then I'm not going with you, okay?

Okay, but you asked this question:

Can you explain why we have features that make sense only if we evolved from earlier species of apes?

... and I didn't want you to think there was no answer outside of the scientific realm.

The evidence from the real world says you are wrong, AV. What do you say about that?

I say evidence can take a hike.

And let me give you a good piece of advice:

If you don't want your questioned answered, don't ask it.

 

[EternalDragon]

And you are mistaking evolution for design.

Can you explain why we have features that make sense only if we evolved from earlier species of apes?

Can you explain how natural processes created a primate brain and then created a human brain that then created cars, ipods and computers? Please logically explain the steps or is it just all a matter of blind chance and magic?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Cousin means kin. It is here that believers part ways forever with evos. Unless, of course the evo gets saved.

Cousin doesn't mean kin in an evolution context.

 

[dad]

Cousin doesn't mean kin in an evolution context.

Full Definition of KIN

1
: a group of persons of common ancestry : clan

2
a : one's relatives : kindred

Even one of your groups is called 'family'!! Let's face it you consider yourselves to be literally related to cockroaches, worms and monkeys!

 

[Kylie]

Full Definition of KIN

1
: a group of persons of common ancestry : clan

2
a : one's relatives : kindred

Even one of your groups is called 'family'!! Let's face it you consider yourselves to be literally related to cockroaches, worms and monkeys!

Technically true, you just have to go back many millions of years to find the last ancestor we had in common...

 

[Kylie]

Okay, but you asked this question:

... and I didn't want you to think there was no answer outside of the scientific realm.

Except you can't actually verify it. You can just decide it is true, which means you could end up believing anything you want.

Newsflash: Reality doesn't care what you want.

I say evidence can take a hike.

And let me give you a good piece of advice:

If you don't want your questioned answered, don't ask it.

Oh, I knew you were going to say this. And it doesn't surprise me a bit that you are perfectly happy to ignore reality to hold onto your quaint ideas. Just want you to do it in front of everyone, lest they think you are actually someone who knows what he is talking about.