Questions about origins of life timeline

[dad]

So? Captain Kirk was warned to turn back from the territory of the First Federation, and he didn't, and he continued and encountered the Fesarius, and we still have that record today.

What's your point?

My point is about the timeline of mankind. You feel that flatworm sex was how we all got here apparently!

As for Star Trek, that is more or less a linear expression of earth spacetime. The show imagines what the universe would be like based on the laws of physics and our present state earth time and space. It was a godless fantasy romp through a pretend universe, based on earth nature and time and space and laws.

It's easily solved. Go with what reality indicates.

Reality indicates Jesus healed maybe hundreds of thousands of people, and walked on water, and had dominion over all nature and death.

Wow, and how exactly have you traced your bloodline back that far?

Easily.

Mt 12:50 - For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Nothing is more solid. When they accused Him, they asked how He did miracles, not whether He did them! He may have banished disease from the land, so many multitudes were healed. There was no way to deny it.

Today is the dark age of ages and the time of myth and fables.



False. The bible stands alone in it's preservation and fulfilled prophesies. Nothing remotely compares.


That is unrelated to being saved. The devils know there is a God. Most pagans know there are gods.

But you can't even prove that those miracles were preformed, it could have just been that Jesus, thanks to his Jewish background and the fact that at the time the Jews had some of the best medicine practices in Europe, was just better as a doctor than anyone else around. To people who experienced blood letting and exorcisms for diseases, putting a clean wet cloth on ones head and pouring water over wounds, making them more likely to heal, would seem like magic.

If so many people were healed, then why does only the bible attest to it? Sure, most people couldn't write, but I think that if hundreds or thousands of people were healed like that people would find it worth recording.

Today we live longer than ever before (don't even bother with ridiculous bible ages, you can't prove anyone ever lived longer than 122 years, the current world record)

The biblical prophecies are a joke, those which were specific were fulfilled and written down after the fact (basically, people could have made up a prophecy for events which had already happened to make them seem more significant). Others describe details which people wouldn't have likely paid attention to or wouldn't have known ( how much Judas was paid to betray Jesus, for example). Others are just so generic and vague that it would be more interesting if they weren't fulfilled than if they were (about as impressive as me predicting that one day, on a day I won't be sure of, I will die).

It was related to the conversation, in my opinion.

 

[dad]

But you can't even prove that those miracles were preformed,

Yes, when no one questioned them, not even His enemies that means they happened. When the bible results in billions of miracles in lives of real people, that is a billion test tubes walking around, that have been observed, and tested. When compound scores of prophesies ALL come true, that proves the book is solid as a rock. When lives were changed, that proves the book! When I look at the debate skills of Jesus versus the Pharisee, that proves the book!! No man could do that. I cannot deny John the Baptist lived. To do so would be to engage in terminal denial. John knew that Jesus was the One, because of many things, such as that Jesus healed all the lame and blind and deaf etc. All the apostles witnessed those things. You may not call them all dirty liars. Not at all.

If so many people were healed, then why does only the bible attest to it?

The only other records were those of the enemies of God, and they were all destroyed or carried off. The witnesses WERE the disciples and apostles etc. You do realize that mortal enemies, possessed of Satan in many cases, or demons purposely sought to cover up the truth and deny it all? They paid false witnesses etc. They were scum.

Sure, most people couldn't write, but I think that if hundreds or thousands of people were healed like that people would find it worth recording.

Show us some writings like this for that time about anything from Jews!?

Today we live longer than ever before (don't even bother with ridiculous bible ages, you can't prove anyone ever lived longer than 122 years, the current world record)

You can't prove they didn't.

The biblical prophecies are a joke, those which were specific were fulfilled and written down after the fact (basically, people could have made up a prophecy for events which had already happened to make them seem more significant).

That just shows you do not know what you are talking about. I do.

Others describe details which people wouldn't have likely paid attention to or wouldn't have known ( how much Judas was paid to betray Jesus, for example).

Yes it was known what the price was. Remember Jesus had secret followers IN the Sanhedrin!

Others are just so generic and vague that it would be more interesting if they weren't fulfilled than if they were (about as impressive as me predicting that one day, on a day I won't be sure of, I will die).

Name a few? You might be thinking about Nostradamus?

 

[PsychoSarah]

If there were so many people attempting to cover up the bible and all other evidence supporting it, then the bible itself would have not survived.

 

[Kylie]

My point is about the timeline of mankind. You feel that flatworm sex was how we all got here apparently!

Then you made your point very badly. What you were talking about had nothing to do with where life came from. it was a vague description of future trouble.

As for Star Trek, that is more or less a linear expression of earth spacetime. The show imagines what the universe would be like based on the laws of physics and our present state earth time and space. It was a godless fantasy romp through a pretend universe, based on earth nature and time and space and laws.

I'm sorry - do you think that Star Trek is based on present day scientific knowledge? Perhaps you missed the bits where they go FASTER THAN LIGHT? Or do you think current science says we can go faster than light as well?

Reality indicates Jesus healed maybe hundreds of thousands of people, and walked on water, and had dominion over all nature and death.

You spelled "Bible" wrong.

Unless you have some other source that shows that jesus did any of those things?

Easily.

Mt 12:50 - For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Let's add "bloodline" to the list of things you don't understand then, shall we...

 

[dad]

If there were so many people attempting to cover up the bible and all other evidence supporting it, then the bible itself would have not survived.

I never met one, did you? We are largely what we chose to believe.

 

[dad]

Then you made your point very badly. What you were talking about had nothing to do with where life came from. it was a vague description of future trouble.

Flatworm sex has nothing to do with where life came from! Not that I want to insult your relatives, but it is what it is.

I'm sorry - do you think that Star Trek is based on present day scientific knowledge? Perhaps you missed the bits where they go FASTER THAN LIGHT? Or do you think current science says we can go faster than light as well?

Perhaps they knowingly or unknowingly also used the bible. Jesus 'replicated' bread and fishes to feed tens of thousands of people. People were 'transported' across the sea in no time at all. Etc. But of course they tried to make the show look as scientific as possible also.

Unless you have some other source that shows that jesus did any of those things?

Source? There were multitudes healed, and many who witnessed the events in many cases. The word you seek is 'sources'.

Let's add "bloodline" to the list of things you don't understand then, shall we...

Not me, it was Jesus that said we are sisters and brothers to Him. You see, we are now of HIS bloodline.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I never met one, did you? We are largely what we chose to believe.

And I didn't choose to be atheist, so what now?

 

[Kylie]

Flatworm sex has nothing to do with where life came from! Not that I want to insult your relatives, but it is what it is.

You can't even keep your silly arguments straight?

Perhaps they knowingly or unknowingly also used the bible. Jesus 'replicated' bread and fishes to feed tens of thousands of people. People were 'transported' across the sea in no time at all. Etc. But of course they tried to make the show look as scientific as possible also.

This is the most ridiculous argument ever. Star Trek was secretly inspired by the Bible? When Jesus was on the cross, did he say, "Dad, beam me up?"

Source? There were multitudes healed, and many who witnessed the events in many cases. The word you seek is 'sources'.

Okay. Show me a source outside the Bible that shows Jesus performed any of his miracles. Show me a letter or something written by one of the people who was fed by the fish and loaves.

Not me, it was Jesus that said we are sisters and brothers to Him. You see, we are now of HIS bloodline.

Yeah, you don't understand what "bloodline" actually means.

 

[dad]

And I didn't choose to be atheist, so what now?

Say it like you mean it.

 

[dad]

You can't even keep your silly arguments straight?



This is the most ridiculous argument ever. Star Trek was secretly inspired by the Bible?

Yes, like so much else was influenced by it!

Okay. Show me a source outside the Bible that shows Jesus performed any of his miracles.

The ones who lived where He was are where we would get the record. Guess what, that is where bible writers are from!

Yeah, you don't understand what "bloodline" actually means.

Yes, Jesus shed His blood to save us. Because of that we can be His family. That is the highest meaning.

 

[Kylie]

Yes, like so much else was influenced by it!

Your arguments are getting more and more nonsensical and are rapidly falling into incoherent rambles.

The ones who lived where He was are where we would get the record.

All well and good to say where it sHOULD be, but it doesn't help you actually produce any extra sources, does it.

Guess what, that is where bible writers are from!

Ecept the earliest copies we have are from decades AFTER the events! So we have no contemporary sources at all.

Yes, Jesus shed His blood to save us. Because of that we can be His family. That is the highest meaning.

Yeah, this argument fails. You just redefine things to show whatever you want.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Say it like you mean it.

I do mean it, I dislike the reality I face with an atheistic outlook, I would gladly make myself believe if I could. But I can't, because belief isn't 100% a choice because people can't control their minds like that. For example, you couldn't make yourself believe that the sky was green during the day, because you can clearly see a blue sky right in front of you, and no green sky. Likewise, I can't convince myself that any god, much less any of a specific religion, exists because I don't view this as true. But not viewing it as true again wasn't a conscious decision on my part.

 

[dad]

Your arguments are getting more and more nonsensical and are rapidly falling into incoherent rambles.

When I say the bible influences us I mean it. Here is an example. As coherent as the day is long.


"
A list of 122 everyday phrases that have a biblical origin"


Bible Phrases - a list of everyday phrases that come from the Bible.


Or maybe here..

"

Over 200 sayings, words and titles,...which had their origins in the Bible"

https://sites.google.com/site/thebiblesaiditfirst/home
​

All well and good to say where it sHOULD be, but it doesn't help you actually produce any extra sources, does it.

Why ask for extras? From that judged nation, and destroyed city of Jerusalem, God did preserve a record. Take what we have. Any extras are neither here nor there.

Ecept the earliest copies we have are from decades AFTER the events! So we have no contemporary sources at all.

Irrelevant. A copy is just something copied! The copies came from originals. Now Paul spoke of meeting Jesus, as did Peter and the rest of them. That means they were there. Duh.

Yeah, this argument fails. You just redefine things to show whatever you want.

Nothing fails about our new bloodline and family. My family was there. So have some respect. Do I insult your flatworm kin!?

 

[dad]

I do mean it, I dislike the reality I face with an atheistic outlook, I would gladly make myself believe if I could. But I can't, because belief isn't 100% a choice because people can't control their minds like that. For example, you couldn't make yourself believe that the sky was green during the day, because you can clearly see a blue sky right in front of you, and no green sky. Likewise, I can't convince myself that any god, much less any of a specific religion, exists because I don't view this as true. But not viewing it as true again wasn't a conscious decision on my part.

I can chose to try too believe. In fact I did. It worked. Kind of like taking a little step..off a big bridge He said try it, then you'll know.

Joh 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.



Joh 4:14 -But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I can chose to try too believe. In fact I did. It worked. Kind of like taking a little step..off a big bridge He said try it, then you'll know.

Joh 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.



Joh 4:14 -But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

You can choose to try, what makes you think I haven't tried? But you can't completely choose to succeed in everything one tries, because obviously then people wouldn't fail so much.

 

[dad]

You can choose to try, what makes you think I haven't tried? But you can't completely choose to succeed in everything one tries, because obviously then people wouldn't fail so much.

How hard is it to try and say the salvation prayer and ask Jesus into your heart? If we do that and are sincere, He promises to come in forever! Then we will start to know Him.

 

[Kylie]

When I say the bible influences us I mean it. Here is an example. As coherent as the day is long.


"
A list of 122 everyday phrases that have a biblical origin"


Bible Phrases - a list of everyday phrases that come from the Bible.


Or maybe here..

"

Over 200 sayings, words and titles,...which had their origins in the Bible"

https://sites.google.com/site/thebiblesaiditfirst/home
​

That's not what you said. You made the claim that faster than light travel and instant teleportation were inspired by the Bible.

Why ask for extras? From that judged nation, and destroyed city of Jerusalem, God did preserve a record. Take what we have. Any extras are neither here nor there.

I take that as a no, you don't have any of these other sources. Sucks to be on the side without evidence.

Irrelevant. A copy is just something copied! The copies came from originals. Now Paul spoke of meeting Jesus, as did Peter and the rest of them. That means they were there. Duh.

A shame you don't have any of the originals. A shame that no mention at all of any of this stuff doesn't happen until long after the event.

Nothing fails about our new bloodline and family. My family was there. So have some respect. Do I insult your flatworm kin!?

When it comes to the concept that human life evolved from earlier species, and that any two modern species has a common ancestor at some point in the past, you haven't been respectful at all. You've called it icky and distasteful and declared it wrong on the basis that it offends your oh so delicate sensibilities.

Now, I was very clearly talking about people who are related to you by blood, and you twisted that into your own meaning. So don't talk to me about being disrespectful, okay?

 

[PsychoSarah]

How hard is it to try and say the salvation prayer and ask Jesus into your heart? If we do that and are sincere, He promises to come in forever! Then we will start to know Him.

It isn't hard, I have done that exact prayer multiple times. Nothing happened. And I assure you I was sincere.

 

[dad]

It isn't hard, I have done that exact prayer multiple times. Nothing happened. And I assure you I was sincere.

If you meant it that means you are saved. We do not need fireworks, a ghost appearing in a dark room, and angels dancing on our roof tops to know God does what He promised to do!

One only needs to pray sincerely for salvation and Jesus to come in one time.