Questions about origins of life timeline

[TLK Valentine]

Ya ...

Rational people talk about how clear things are, until a theorational person reminds them they change things around, then they bring up a "fog."

Well, for the record, theorational people admit up front ... and show in writing* ... what rational people try to hide.

* 1 Corinthians 13:12a For now we see through a glass, darkly;

Nothing for us to hide, AV -- we focus on what we can see through the glass, and strive to see more; you worship the darkness, mistaking it for "God."

 

[Dusty Bin]

science never proves anything.

Amazing.

Looking at your age I see 66, for how much of that time have you been rejecting evolution?

 

[justlookinla]

Looking at your age I see 66, for how much of that time have you been rejecting evolution?

I haven't kept a ledger. Not sure.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you tell your wife you will be home by six then later you find you have a meeting at six, did you tell her a lie when you said you would be home by six? or did things change causing you to tell your wife something different?

You won't see me on the Internet later, talking about how clear my day was.

 

[Armoured]

You won't see me on the Internet later, talking about how clear my day was.

Again, 5 equidistant points, suggest what shape to you?

 

[Dusty Bin]

You won't see me on the Internet later, talking about how clear my day was.

Damaged way beyond repair.

 

[EternalDragon]

Ironically, evolution shows us that we are connected to all life on earth.

We are all connected because we are all created by one designer for one specific planet.

Evolution shows nothing. It makes guesses as to what might have happened that are actually the reverse of what would naturally happen. Similar to The Frog Prince.

 

[Armoured]

that are actually the reverse of what would naturally happen.

...for example?

 

[AV1611VET]

Again, 5 equidistant points, suggest what shape to you?

The first thing that came to mind was a 5 on a die.

 

[Armoured]

The first thing that came to mind was a 5 on a die.

OK, but they're not equidistant, are they? The outer dots are a different distance from each other than the inner dots. But I'm working towards a point here, so if you're up for it, try again?

 

[AV1611VET]

OK, but they're not equidistant, are they?

Yes, the pips are equidistant.

 

[Loudmouth]

We are all connected because we are all created by one designer for one specific planet.

Why would this require all life to use the same codons? Why would this require everything with fur to also have three middle ear bones, while everything with feathers does not have three middle ear bones? Why would this mean that whales have teats but fish do not?

How does being created by one designer for one specific planet require a nested hierarchy?

Evolution shows nothing. It makes guesses as to what might have happened that are actually the reverse of what would naturally happen. Similar to The Frog Prince.

Do you even understand the theory of evolution?

 

[Armoured]

Yes, the pips are equidistant.

*sigh* No they're not AV, if arranged like the dots on a die. Measure them if you don't believe me. The outer ones will be a different distance from each other than they are from the inner ones.

 

[EternalDragon]

Why would this require all life to use the same codons? Why would this require everything with fur to also have three middle ear bones, while everything with feathers does not have three middle ear bones? Why would this mean that whales have teats but fish do not?

How does being created by one designer for one specific planet require a nested hierarchy?

Do you even understand the theory of evolution?

Yes, of course and I hope you don't mind a copy and paste right from the interwebs.

Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

 

[dad]

Yeah, that's not how science works. Since you don't grasp this, it's safe to say that any and all opinions you have regarding science are just wrong.

Of course science takes evolving and evolution further than any observed evolution. That is exactly what it does.

So you are grasping the fact that a person's beliefs do not actually make a difference to reality.

No. I am pointing out that the beliefs of so called science are not reality.

Yeah, and does that say Humans evolved from worms? No... Fail, dad.

Read the article, it says they are the closest common ancestors of certain animals, of which they include man. That means you think you are related.

It says that there was an ancient ancestral species that first evolved a left and right side, and all species we have today that have left and right sides can trace their origins back to it.

Great! So when they did the wild thing, you resulted eventually..correct?

Flatworms are the oldest such group. But that doesn't mean that flatworms were the ancestral species.

Who knows? Whatever, you think you came from them..yes or no? If not, you must think some 'early' creature did it!

Please provide testable and verifiable evidence. Until you do this, it's just a thought. And to paraphrase what you said earlier...

Science has no capability to have such a thing. Cut the shrill pretense. The tested bible is where we know that God created us. No flatworms involved at all.

In Star Trek, it says that an ancient race of progenitors seeded countless worlds throughout the galaxy with DNA so humanoid life would thrive, and in this way they ensured that they would leave behind a legacy. They also made sure that their work couldn't be discovered until all the species worked together.

Great, so will we expect a Flinstones update next??

That's an even better story. Does that mean that it's correct?

Better? Creating a story line while religiously eliminating God from it has to result in things somewhat similar to so called science...that's WHAT IT IS!!

Your man from dirt fable leaves man in subservience to a god that for some reason needs worship and is apparently insecure enough to get jealous when he doesn't get it...

We are a creature, and were actually created to be in dominion over nature. That doesn't mean we become God. It means we have a wonderful and high and important place in creation. Better the flatworms be subject to us I suggest!

 

[Armoured]

Yes, of course and I hope you don't mind a copy and paste right from the interwebs.

Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

...I...must have missed something? How does this "answer" remotely relate to the question?

 

[AV1611VET]

Dad,

Knock it off with the pictures please.

I've got avian dinosaurs hanging around my window whenever I go into this thread!

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, of course and I hope you don't mind a copy and paste right from the interwebs.

I would prefer that you answer the questions. Your inability to do so only demonstrates that your claims are false.

 

[Kylie]

Of course science takes evolving and evolution further than any observed evolution. That is exactly what it does.

And you completely fail to look at the fact that it leaves behind evidence.

No. I am pointing out that the beliefs of so called science are not reality.

And you are wrong.

Read the article, it says they are the closest common ancestors of certain animals, of which they include man. That means you think you are related.

And you are related to your brother, but that doesn't mean you came from your brother. Honestly, why are you unable to comprehend this?

Let me put it as simply as I can: The ancestral species we came from no longer exists. It lived and died millions and millions of years ago. It is extinct and only its descendents are alive today.

In short, if there is a species alive today, we cannot possibly be descended from it!

Great! So when they did the wild thing, you resulted eventually..correct?

Technically, yes.

Who knows? Whatever, you think you came from them..yes or no? If not, you must think some 'early' creature did it!

Like I said, the ancestral species is no longer alive today. If flatworms are alive today, then they could not be the ancestral species.

Science has no capability to have such a thing. Cut the shrill pretense. The tested bible is where we know that God created us. No flatworms involved at all.

You make a big noise, dad, but you've got nothing to back it up...

Better? Creating a story line while religiously eliminating God from it has to result in things somewhat similar to so called science...that's WHAT IT IS!!

Better? Creating a story line while religiously adding God to it has to result in things somewhat similar to so called science...that's WHAT IT IS!!

We are a creature, and were actually created to be in dominion over nature. That doesn't mean we become God. It means we have a wonderful and high and important place in creation. Better the flatworms be subject to us I suggest!

Yes, and look how we're shafting the planet with our "dominion". We're really great caretakers, aren't we? Just more proof that religion makes this claim because humans thought they were the best, not because we were given this world by divine decree.

 

[dad]

And you completely fail to look at the fact that it leaves behind evidence.

No, not that we can recognize to anywhere near the extent that evo doctrine claims. Sure, bacteria evolve today...so? That doesn't mean Marylin Monroe resulted from evolution.

And you are related to your brother, but that doesn't mean you came from your brother. Honestly, why are you unable to comprehend this?

Look, if my brother was a flatworm, you could talk! When you say that your kin really were flatworms, you can't include me or my brother. I am not in the evo family tree.

Let me put it as simply as I can: The ancestral species we came from no longer exists. It lived and died millions and millions of years ago. It is extinct and only its descendents are alive today.

Flatworms exist today! You claim they are in your lineage.

In short, if there is a species alive today, we cannot possibly be descended from it!

How about your mom? Can you be descended from her? She is a relative like you think the flatworm is your relative!

Technically, yes.

Astounding admission that you actually think copulating flatworms produced you eventually. Think about it. It should make evos angry that they were so duped.

Like I said, the ancestral species is no longer alive today. If flatworms are alive today, then they could not be the ancestral species.

One minute they are relatives from whom you resulted by your own admission..the next minute, you seem to lose cohesiveness.

"..the team discovered that acoelomorphs have microRNAs that are only shared with deuterostomes suggesting that “humans are more closely related to acoel flatworms than we are to insects or clams or earthworms,” says Peterson,a molecular paleobiologist. “Because the acoelomorphs are nested high up within the tree, their simple morphology is one of secondary simplification rather than being primarily primitive.”


Dartmouth Professor Links Acoelomorpha Flatworm to Human Evolution | Dartmouth Now

Better? Creating a story line while religiously adding God to it has to result in things somewhat similar to so called science...that's WHAT IT IS!!

God was in the creation story since Adam on through the days of Noah, Abraham, and Jesus. No one added it, science took it away! That is a crime against humanity.

Yes, and look how we're shafting the planet with our "dominion".

Don't confuse the lost dominion of man with the fallen state of man. Sin destroys man, kills us, brings sickness, sorrow, and kills the planet too.

Man cannot save the planet any more than he can save himself!