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QUOTE="Dorothy Mae
I don’t even try to represent it at all. Why do you think I do? I never claimed that!! I take your position and apply it to real life.
When you make claims and statements like you do below, you are representing what Patristic Universalism is and you are doing so falsely.
But if they want to do so believing your faith that they can just repent after the fun is over, what do you say? But only for a time. Then it’s back tothe good life. Not too bad. Jesus never promised this by the way.
Jesus most certainly made reference to it. If you were half the Bible scholar you present yourself to be, you would realize this.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
If you read the previous verses (i.e., context!) you will see that this verse is teaching that until the last farthing of punishment is paid, the soul is not released. And if you think that even one second in the scourging burning of God's love is something that you would just shrug off with a laugh, you really have a very incomplete view of sin. I had a very, very small taste of what this is like one night when God showed me my sins and it was the most horrible experience I have ever had. It went on for hours and I couldn't stop it and it was ...... horrible beyond description. You have no idea what you are making fun of and I guarantee you that right now, men like Hugh Hefner, Mao Tse Dung, Hitler, etc. are begging that the punishment end, but it will not end, as Jesus said, until the last farthing due them is paid!
If a person knew they’d end up in heaven no matter how they behaved, that’s what your position allows them to do. You have no real argument against it:
There was an understanding in the Early Fathers that you didn't share this with new converts. You warned them against the destruction sin and the punishment waiting for those who continued in sin, both punishment here and now (consequences ) and in the next life (hell).
I don’t see where Jesus warned us that not telling others about him is the meanest thing one can do.
Does that mean that it's okay not to look for opportunities to share Christ with those in need? Of course, John said that if all the things that Jesus said and did were written down, the world could not contain the books. Maybe He did say this and it didn't make the Bible.
Is every Christian filled with joy and promise all the time? Is Jesus merely useful for a better life?
No. So what? It is a far better life than the life of hedonism
Admit to yourself that the man who doesn’t want to restrict his behavior to God’s morals but wants to get as much of the joys and pleasure this life promises no matter who he destroys in the process has little to fear in the next in your view. The worst human who ever lived doesn’t need to worry about judgement before God cause after some purging, he’ll end up in Heaven. So he can enjoy a life of stealing and lying and power and sensual delights as he wishes and still not miss out on heaven in your view. Or do you have an answer to that problem?
As I said above, if you really knew the terror of God's loving chastisement, you wouldn't make such a statement.
I don’t even try to represent it at all. Why do you think I do? I never claimed that!! I take your position and apply it to real life.
When you make claims and statements like you do below, you are representing what Patristic Universalism is and you are doing so falsely.
But if they want to do so believing your faith that they can just repent after the fun is over, what do you say? But only for a time. Then it’s back tothe good life. Not too bad. Jesus never promised this by the way.
Jesus most certainly made reference to it. If you were half the Bible scholar you present yourself to be, you would realize this.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
If you read the previous verses (i.e., context!) you will see that this verse is teaching that until the last farthing of punishment is paid, the soul is not released. And if you think that even one second in the scourging burning of God's love is something that you would just shrug off with a laugh, you really have a very incomplete view of sin. I had a very, very small taste of what this is like one night when God showed me my sins and it was the most horrible experience I have ever had. It went on for hours and I couldn't stop it and it was ...... horrible beyond description. You have no idea what you are making fun of and I guarantee you that right now, men like Hugh Hefner, Mao Tse Dung, Hitler, etc. are begging that the punishment end, but it will not end, as Jesus said, until the last farthing due them is paid!
If a person knew they’d end up in heaven no matter how they behaved, that’s what your position allows them to do. You have no real argument against it:
There was an understanding in the Early Fathers that you didn't share this with new converts. You warned them against the destruction sin and the punishment waiting for those who continued in sin, both punishment here and now (consequences ) and in the next life (hell).
I don’t see where Jesus warned us that not telling others about him is the meanest thing one can do.
Does that mean that it's okay not to look for opportunities to share Christ with those in need? Of course, John said that if all the things that Jesus said and did were written down, the world could not contain the books. Maybe He did say this and it didn't make the Bible.
Is every Christian filled with joy and promise all the time? Is Jesus merely useful for a better life?
No. So what? It is a far better life than the life of hedonism
Admit to yourself that the man who doesn’t want to restrict his behavior to God’s morals but wants to get as much of the joys and pleasure this life promises no matter who he destroys in the process has little to fear in the next in your view. The worst human who ever lived doesn’t need to worry about judgement before God cause after some purging, he’ll end up in Heaven. So he can enjoy a life of stealing and lying and power and sensual delights as he wishes and still not miss out on heaven in your view. Or do you have an answer to that problem?
As I said above, if you really knew the terror of God's loving chastisement, you wouldn't make such a statement.
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