Questions about christianity!

[Asvin]

1) If god loves humans so much, don't you think one.. atleast one out of the millions of people in heaven would've requested to god to come visit his/her family down on earth? Or wouldn't someone request that god be more clear in the ways he "appears" in front of people? I would certainly hope someone did, because the way he is expressing himself to us humans isn't working so good, now is it?

2) Can you? (YES OR NO) give me solid, scientific (Not the bible) evidence why christianity is true, and Islam, Hinduism, and the countless other religions are false?

3) The trinity doesn't make sense to me.. I know, not all sects of christianity don't believe in the trinity, but for those who do.. Why the three forms? Why not just 1? I know the holy spirit is the one who reveals itself to us humans, jesus died long ago, and the father is the creator, but why not just be 1 and do all these things?

Please don't tell me that we are just humans and can't know everything about god.. then you should also tell me why I shouldn't believe science, which is obviously more reliable than god..

 

[fm107]

Hi Asvin,

1. Jesus came to earth and lived here for approx 33 years. But despite all that he did, all the miracles he performed, making the dead come to life, healing the sick, making the lame walk, the deaf hear and the blind see, despite all the beautiful, wonderful words he spoke about loving God and loving one another, what did man do to him? They mocked him, spat on him, ridiculed him, despised him, beat him, scourged him and crucified him.

Seeing God isn't enough for mankind, God tells us in the bible that we are to have faith in him, that if we search for him because we truly want to know him with a genuine, humble heart, he will make himself known to that person.

2. You don't need scientific evidence. Read the gospel of John and you'll hopefully see for yourself. It's something you just know is true.

3. There is one God. That one God is made up of three persons; the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit. These three persons are one.

Think of it like water, ice and steam. They are all one, yet the three are their own person.

All three are in agreement and are ONE.


Hope this helps, but I urge you, instead of looking for reasons not to believe, if you genuinly want to know God, humble yourself before him, talk to him and ask him to give you faith. It's amazing what God can do if someone simply humbles themselves and just admits that they have sinned.

May God bless!

 

[solarwave]

1) If god loves humans so much, don't you think one.. atleast one out of the millions of people in heaven would've requested to god to come visit his/her family down on earth? Or wouldn't someone request that god be more clear in the ways he "appears" in front of people? I would certainly hope someone did, because the way he is expressing himself to us humans isn't working so good, now is it?

Would knowing God is real help? Knowing God is real is not the purpose of religion. Choosing to follow God and goodness is the main point and simply knowing God is real doesn't do that. It may be true that some more people would follow God if they knew God was real, but once people got used to the idea I think alot of people would just carry on with their lives like they did before.

2) Can you? (YES OR NO) give me solid, scientific (Not the bible) evidence why christianity is true, and Islam, Hinduism, and the countless other religions are false?

No. Other religions arn't necessarily totally false.

3) The trinity doesn't make sense to me.. I know, not all sects of christianity don't believe in the trinity, but for those who do.. Why the three forms? Why not just 1? I know the holy spirit is the one who reveals itself to us humans, jesus died long ago, and the father is the creator, but why not just be 1 and do all these things?

Yeah some understandings of the Trinity don't make any sense. My understanding is that there is one God who expresses Himself in three different ways. So God is 1 by nature and 3 by choice in revelation.

then you should also tell me why I shouldn't believe science, which is obviously more reliable than god..

Or both?

 

[Asvin]

Would knowing God is real help? Knowing God is real is not the purpose of religion. Choosing to follow God and goodness is the main point and simply knowing God is real doesn't do that. It may be true that some more people would follow God if they knew God was real, but once people got used to the idea I think alot of people would just carry on with their lives like they did before.

Knowing that you will get paid for working is definitely better than just hoping for it.. isn't it? I'm just curious why god has all this trouble making people believe that he is true.. just make it obvious.. I can make it obvious to my friend that I am real.. if god is greater than me, I am pretty sure it wouldn't be such a hassle.. Once people know that god is real, they WOULD NOT carry on with their usual "sinful" lives, because they know what's waiting for them after death.. aka.. hell! It's a pretty simple idea.. I wouldn't kill someone because I know I would be in jail

No. Other religions arn't necessarily totally false.

So they are partially false? if the christian god is true, as he composes the father, the son, and the holy spirit, then why not make it so that there are only christians in this world.. why the atheists, muslims, hindus, etc? I would conclude that the god of christianity isn't real!

Yeah some understandings of the Trinity don't make any sense. My understanding is that there is one God who expresses Himself in three different ways. So God is 1 by nature and 3 by choice in revelation.

Again, why not keep it simple? Just one person!

Or both?

I am not going to get into this, because it would be a lengthy debate that would go nowhere..

 

[solarwave]

Knowing that you will get paid for working is definitely better than just hoping for it.. isn't it? I'm just curious why god has all this trouble making people believe that he is true.. just make it obvious.. I can make it obvious to my friend that I am real.. if god is greater than me, I am pretty sure it wouldn't be such a hassle.. Once people know that god is real, they WOULD NOT carry on with their usual "sinful" lives, because they know what's waiting for them after death.. aka.. hell! It's a pretty simple idea.. I wouldn't kill someone because I know I would be in jail

But the reason to be religious shouldn't be fear of hell. That is low level moral thinking and not genuinely following God. If you only doing what someone says to avoid punishment you are only acting as if you are genuine, are arn't really genuine. Doing good for the sake of good is better than doing good actions with self interested intentions. This also assumes we know what hell is.

Also in the past when nearly everyone assumed their was a God/gods, and the atheist appeared crazy, people still did what they thought was wrong.

So they are partially false? if the christian god is true, as he composes the father, the son, and the holy spirit, then why not make it so that there are only christians in this world.. why the atheists, muslims, hindus, etc? I would conclude that the god of christianity isn't real!

Some bit of all religions could be partly right and partly wrong, with some more right than others. Many Christians wouldn't like me saying that though. Also if you were God would you control the minds of all people to make them know you then?

Again, why not keep it simple? Just one person!

I'm saying there is only one being.

It could be the same as saying (but not completely) why don't you just be a son to your parents, but not a father to your own children and a husband as well, because being only one is simpler. Your one person but you take on different roles.

I am not going to get into this, because it would be a lengthy debate that would go nowhere..

Ok. By the way I am giving quite a liberal view of Christianity, not necessarily the average one.

 

[drich0150]

1) If god loves humans so much, don't you think one.. at least one out of the millions of people in heaven would've requested to god to come visit his/her family down on earth? Or wouldn't someone request that god be more clear in the ways he "appears" in front of people? I would certainly hope someone did, because the way he is expressing himself to us humans isn't working so good, now is it?

One did make this request from the depths of Hell to warn his brothers to change their hearts this is the story if you wish to read it.
Luke 16 - Passage Lookup - New International Version, ©2011 - BibleGateway.com
Starting at verse 19

2) Can you? (YES OR NO) give me solid, scientific (Not the bible) evidence why christianity is true, and Islam, Hinduism, and the countless other religions are false?

How would one be able to give solid scientific evidence to a matter that pertains to faith? Science claims to be based on substance, that makes your request a logical fallacy.

3) The trinity doesn't make sense to me.. I know, not all sects of christianity don't believe in the trinity, but for those who do.. Why the three forms? Why not just 1? I know the holy spirit is the one who reveals itself to us humans, Jesus died long ago, and the father is the creator, but why not just be 1 and do all these things?

This question presupposes that the 3 were invented rather than the account of 3 beings being one God was simply recorded. There is no why given, only evidence that 3 beings exist as one God.

Please don't tell me that we are just humans and can't know everything about god.. then you should also tell me why I shouldn't believe science, which is obviously more reliable than god..

Kinda like when science told us that there would be a mini Ice age by 2010, or that 'fact' that Pluto was a planet, or the 'fact" that we were all doomed to Global warming in the first part of this decade, and now since somehow we are not all going to die by melting polar ice caps, we all are now subject to global climate change. (because the scientists can not predict in an accurate way how to tell us the sky is falling.) Speaking of which how about the hole in the ozone that we could not repair, and deadly cosmic rays were going to change us all into a race of superheros?Whether you can admit it or not. No matter what you believe you will have to do so in faith.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

To the OP: I know you're not going to like my answers to you, because I'm going to answer your questions with Scripture. And my reason is because I believe God when He said that His Word would not return to Him in void and it would accomplish what He sent it out to do (Isaiah 55:11). And since I wholeheartedly take God at His word (Hebrews 4:12-13), I will answer you with His Word, whether you take it to heart or not at this time. There's a reason why you can't understand the things of God. Your answer lies in 1 Corinthians 2:14: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." And that is why you don't understand. However, I will point out that God makes it perfectly clear, through His Word, that you'll be without excuse when you stand before Him in judgment (Romans 1:18-31; Hebrews 9:27). The Bible is clear that no one will be without excuse for not believing (Romans 2:12-16).

I can't speak for other Christians, but I personally think that God has made Himself known quite well through His Word. It was through reading the Bible that I was able to find out a lot about Him. For instance, even though the word "Trinity" isn't in the Bible, the concept of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit certainly is. The Bible says that God is One (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5), however, God consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). The Trinity is God the Father (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2), God the Son (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20), and God the (Holy) Spirit (John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, 16:13-14; Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). Although the Bible is quite clear that God is Triune, I still find it difficult to fully wrap my finite mind around our infinite God, but that is where my faith steps in (Hebrews 11:1; Hebrews 11:6), because without faith, it's impossible to please Him.

I learned through reading the Bible that God is immortal and infinite (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17); unchanging (Malachi 3:6; Numbers 23:19; Psalm 102:26, 27); incomparable (2 Samuel 7:22; Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25; Matthew 5:48); unfathomable (Isaiah 40:28; Psalm 145:3; Romans 11:33, 34); incorruptible (Psalm 117:2; 1 Samuel 15:29); omnipotent (Revelation 19:6; Jeremiah 32:17, 27); omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-13; Jeremiah 23:23), and omniscient (Psalm 139:1-5; Proverbs 5:21; 1 John 3:20). He is referred to in His Word as an all consuming fire (Isaiah 6:3; Habakkuk 1:13; Exodus 3:2, 4-5; Hebrews 12:29). He is also just (Acts 17:31), loving (Ephesians 2:4-5), truthful (John 14:6), holy (1 John 1:5), merciful (Romans 9:15), full of grace and compassion (Romans 5:17; 2 Corinthians 1:3). And He offers forgiveness through His Son Jesus Christ (Psalm 130:4; Isaiah 53:4-6; John 15:15; Acts 4:12; Romans 5:10; Ephesians 1:7; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 2:10). And He promises to be found by those who seek after Him with all their heart (Jeremiah 29:13) and have faith in Him (Hebrews 11:6). So, with all that said, I would say, from personal experience even, that God can be known through His Word (as I have demonstrated above), through His creation (Romans 1:19-20), and through the Person of Jesus Christ, His one and only Son (Colossians 2:9). I would say that you can know God too, if you diligently seek Him and have faith.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

1) If god loves humans so much, don't you think one.. atleast one out of the millions of people in heaven would've requested to god to come visit his/her family down on earth? Or wouldn't someone request that god be more clear in the ways he "appears" in front of people? I would certainly hope someone did, because the way he is expressing himself to us humans isn't working so good, now is it?

I don't know if an objective answer to your question exists. I don't find much flawed in how God has made Himself known, but that's just a matter of subjective opinion.

2) Can you? (YES OR NO) give me solid, scientific (Not the bible) evidence why christianity is true, and Islam, Hinduism, and the countless other religions are false?

Science has nothing to say one way or the other on such an issue. I don't believe there is objective, empirical proof that Christianity is true or that other religions are not true.

3) The trinity doesn't make sense to me.. I know, not all sects of christianity don't believe in the trinity, but for those who do.. Why the three forms? Why not just 1? I know the holy spirit is the one who reveals itself to us humans, jesus died long ago, and the father is the creator, but why not just be 1 and do all these things?

Do you mean Trinitarian theology doesn't make sense to you? If that's what you mean, then I'd recommend looking at some good theological texts that deal with the history, terminology and all the concepts present within Trinitarian theology, it's not that hard wrap one's head around once one invests the energy to study it.

Or do you mean that it seems strange that God would be Three Hypostases instead of just One Hypostasis? I suppose that is a bit strange, but I don't see why one or the other would be inherently better than the other; and more than that I believe Trinitarian theology forms a very important foundation for much of Christian theology, it's not simply a disconnected theological article but a persistent, robust theological idea that informs and guides much of Christian though and practice.

Dealing with that latter part more fully would take considerably more time and space, and there are volumes of theology written on it, people dedicate their entire lives to the pursuit of theology and the relevance of Trinitarianism to the entire theological enterprise.

Please don't tell me that we are just humans and can't know everything about god.. then you should also tell me why I shouldn't believe science, which is obviously more reliable than god..

Why should one have to choose between science and God? I believe in God and I accept the scientific method. There's no chasm between the two for me. When science says that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, then I accept that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, that's what the evidence says. However science says nothing about the existence or non-existence of God, that's not a question science answers. That question belongs to philosophy and theology (though mostly philosophy in this case, since usually theology just assumes God's existence and begins with it axiomatically).

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Tim Myers]

How would you like to have God appear to you??......

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

How would you like to have God appear to you??......

Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" (John 20:29).

 

[Asvin]

Kinda like when science told us that there would be a mini Ice age by 2010, or that 'fact' that Pluto was a planet, or the 'fact" that we were all doomed to Global warming in the first part of this decade, and now since somehow we are not all going to die by melting polar ice caps, we all are now subject to global climate change. (because the scientists can not predict in an accurate way how to tell us the sky is falling.) Speaking of which how about the hole in the ozone that we could not repair, and deadly cosmic rays were going to change us all into a race of superheros?Whether you can admit it or not. No matter what you believe you will have to do so in faith.

"The hole in the ozone that we could not repair" ? Do you know that science is progressing and not degrading? We do not have the technology or science to step foot on mars either.. yet.. But I do believe we will in the future.. All this "global warming" and "2012, the end of the world" nonsense is just being fed to us by a bunch of locos that can't back it up with solid evidence.. saying that it is not going to happen isn't negging science..

 

[Asvin]

How would you like to have God appear to you??......

In the form of a human

 

[Asvin]

To the OP: I know you're not going to like my answers to you, because I'm going to answer your questions with Scripture. And my reason is because I believe God when He said that His Word would not return to Him in void and it would accomplish what He sent it out to do (Isaiah 55:11). And since I wholeheartedly take God at His word (Hebrews 4:12-13), I will answer you with His Word, whether you take it to heart or not at this time. There's a reason why you can't understand the things of God. Your answer lies in 1 Corinthians 2:14: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." And that is why you don't understand. However, I will point out that God makes it perfectly clear, through His Word, that you'll be without excuse when you stand before Him in judgment (Romans 1:18-31; Hebrews 9:27). The Bible is clear that no one will be without excuse for not believing (Romans 2:12-16).

I can't speak for other Christians, but I personally think that God has made Himself known quite well through His Word. It was through reading the Bible that I was able to find out a lot about Him. For instance, even though the word "Trinity" isn't in the Bible, the concept of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit certainly is. The Bible says that God is One (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5), however, God consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). The Trinity is God the Father (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2), God the Son (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20), and God the (Holy) Spirit (John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, 16:13-14; Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). Although the Bible is quite clear that God is Triune, I still find it difficult to fully wrap my finite mind around our infinite God, but that is where my faith steps in (Hebrews 11:1; Hebrews 11:6), because without faith, it's impossible to please Him.

I learned through reading the Bible that God is immortal and infinite (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17); unchanging (Malachi 3:6; Numbers 23:19; Psalm 102:26, 27); incomparable (2 Samuel 7:22; Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25; Matthew 5:48); unfathomable (Isaiah 40:28; Psalm 145:3; Romans 11:33, 34); incorruptible (Psalm 117:2; 1 Samuel 15:29); omnipotent (Revelation 19:6; Jeremiah 32:17, 27); omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-13; Jeremiah 23:23), and omniscient (Psalm 139:1-5; Proverbs 5:21; 1 John 3:20). He is referred to in His Word as an all consuming fire (Isaiah 6:3; Habakkuk 1:13; Exodus 3:2, 4-5; Hebrews 12:29). He is also just (Acts 17:31), loving (Ephesians 2:4-5), truthful (John 14:6), holy (1 John 1:5), merciful (Romans 9:15), full of grace and compassion (Romans 5:17; 2 Corinthians 1:3). And He offers forgiveness through His Son Jesus Christ (Psalm 130:4; Isaiah 53:4-6; John 15:15; Acts 4:12; Romans 5:10; Ephesians 1:7; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 2:10). And He promises to be found by those who seek after Him with all their heart (Jeremiah 29:13) and have faith in Him (Hebrews 11:6). So, with all that said, I would say, from personal experience even, that God can be known through His Word (as I have demonstrated above), through His creation (Romans 1:19-20), and through the Person of Jesus Christ, His one and only Son (Colossians 2:9). I would say that you can know God too, if you diligently seek Him and have faith.

When I was a christian, I used to read the bible everyday.. nothing happened.. i called out to god to reveal himself to me.. nothing happened.. I labeled myself a sinner and my self-esteem went down the drain.. not something god would've done to me, is it? I don't believe in elaborate plans like those god has.. make it simple.. why not? why make it so complicated and confusing for people?

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

In the form of a human

Jesus Christ.

 

[drich0150]

]"The hole in the ozone that we could not repair" ? Do you know that science is progressing and not degrading? We do not have the technology or science to step foot on mars either.. yet..

Yet.. The hole is closed and now "science" seems to say it's a naturally occurring phenomena. And yet many many billions of dollars were spent in changing how we lived our lives to prevent the sky from falling. "Science" is a prostitute to whom ever pays the bills. Again global warming/carbon credits, and so on and so on.

But I do believe we will in the future.. All this "global warming" and "2012, the end of the world" nonsense is just being fed to us by a bunch of locos that can't back it up with solid evidence.. saying that it is not going to happen isn't negging science.

'Negging science' is not what my post is about. I am simply saying faith in science is still faith. Simply because facts are not always truth. a Fact is a statement that can either be proved or disproved. Your faith comes in when you believe that your "facts" are indeed truth.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

Asvin, I'd like to ask one simple question before I address your reply. And my question is, do you know what it means to be born again?

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

Double post.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

Asvin, I'd like to ask one simple question before I address
your reply. And my question is, do you know what it means
to be born again?

Disclaimer: As Christians we aren't exactly in agreement on what being born again means. So if you're going to describe it you may preface it by saying that you are presenting your understanding based on your theological tradition and reading of Scripture; particularly when Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans and many others, I'm wagering, understand being born again as our common Baptism.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[razeontherock]

1) If god loves humans so much, don't you think one.. atleast one out of the millions of people in heaven would've requested to god to come visit his/her family down on earth? Or wouldn't someone request that god be more clear in the ways he "appears" in front of people?

Well lemme tell ya, there was this guy named Jesus, born in Bethlehem, who did exactly that. Obviously you've never heard of Him but you're in luck. there are celebrations about Him all week long ...

2) Can you? (YES OR NO) give me solid, scientific (Not the bible) evidence why christianity is true, and Islam, Hinduism, and the countless other religions are false?

No part of Christianity involves proving something else false. Besides, what you're asking for is a "sign," which is a characteristic of a wicked and perverse generation. That generation won't get any sign except for ... well, you know. The other option is regeneration; i.e., opt out of the wicked and perverse generation via repentance.

There is no door #3 to look behind, so Monty can't help you.

3) The trinity doesn't make sense to me.. I know, not all sects of christianity don't believe in the trinity, but for those who do.. Why the three forms? Why not just 1? I know the holy spirit is the one who reveals itself to us humans, jesus died long ago, and the father is the creator, but why not just be 1 and do all these things?

G-d IS One. He also reveals Himself as "the seven Spirits of the Lord," and that is affirmed in the NT so it still holds true after Trinity was established. All the various understandings are there just to give us a better picture, but seeing any one of them is not essential for Salvation. (Sure is interesting though)

Please don't attempt to pit science against G-d. Who do you think put the laws of physics into motion?

 

[Tim Myers]

"In the form of a human"

If God appeared to you in the form of a human, how would you know it was God??

(......if he looked like Morgan Freeman??.....)