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[-57]

"Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose."
-JBSH.

I've seen Larry's videos months ago. Problem is that even Larry starts with something. If you watched his video you would see that.....he just makes it sound like it's nothing.

 

[-57]

Btw., could you describe the thought process that lead you to this conclusion?

Can we start with common sense?
You seem to want to pull a rabbit out of a hat...with out a hat and without a magician.

 

[quatona]

...do you have a preferred exceptional truth? You've had time to present one.

I already told you I don´t have one (or alternatively, I am looking at a couple of competing equally exceptional ideas). And plenty of time won´t change that.
Do you have reading comprehension issues?

You were the one promoting an exceptional claim as the truth, without providing anything that resembles an explanation. You go and defend it. As long as I don´t pretend to have an explanation, you are not in the place to turn the tables.

How could "energy/matter" exist out of time?

I didn´t say it did. Actually, I already told you that "existing out of time" has no intelligible meaning without further explanation. It´s an exceptional truth claim of its own. "Existing out of time" is your idea. The onus to defend claims based on this proposition is on you.

But while we are at asking "how-" questions (pretending that being unable to answer them renders a cliam invalid):
"How could a non-material being create matter?".

 

[quatona]

Can we start with common sense?

No. Pretend this is the philosophy forum, as opposed to your local pub or a knitting circle.

Your common sense is based on our observations within the universe. It isn´t a sufficient basis for conclusions on the conditions in wihich universes come into being.

Alternatively - if you prefer - we could try to apply common sense here. In which case your claim that something immaterial created something material is flying right into the face of any common sense.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Just wondered...thanks!

You're welcome.

 

[bhsmte]

"Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose."
-JBSH.

This is far too scary for some to watch.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Special pleading? I think not. It is God who created time and space. God exist outside of time and space.

Perhaps you can explain where everything came from.

Can you explain where everything came from?

 

[Freodin]

Is that "no evidence" makes you believe stronger and stronger that God does not exist?

Not quite. It is all the empty, inconsistent or faulty pieces of "evidence" that theists like to present that make me think: "if God really existed, would they need to use this nonsense?"

 

[DogmaHunter]

The claim is: "I prefer hamburger than other items" .

That's not a claim. That's a personal preference of the moment.

So desperate....

 

[DogmaHunter]

How true...in fact for anything to exist...there is the need for a God that always existed.

So for a god to exist, another god must also exist.

You may begin your special pleading efforts now.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The argument is...Nothing would exist now if there wasn't a being that always existed.

That's not an argument.

That's just an assertion. An assertion that cannot be verified, is unfalsifiable, has zero supportive evidence and by extension, it is completely meaningless.

I could just as well state "nothing would exist if it wasn't for the undetectable 7-headed dragon". And it would have the exact same merrit: none.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Looks like we have an Atheist with some sort of faith. Perhaps the answer to the great mystery is God did it. Seems as if you can't rule that out.....perhaps you graduated to agnostic.

I also can't rule out that pink graviton pixies are responsible for the existance of gravity.

So I guess I am agnostic about pink graviton pixies.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Can we start with common sense?

Common sense is not a pathway to truth.

"Common sense" only keeps into account the knowledge that you actually have. If history has thought us anything, it most certainly is that eveyr big scientific discovery defies common sense.

'common sense' said the earth was flat, but it's not.
'common sense' said time is a constant everywhere under all circumstances, but it's not.
'common sense' said that objects can't be in 2 places at once, but quantum particles can.
'common sense' said the sun orbits the earth, but it doesn't.

You seem to want to pull a rabbit out of a hat...with out a hat and without a magician.

And you seem to insist on invoking magic.

 

[juvenissun]

Not quite. It is all the empty, inconsistent or faulty pieces of "evidence" that theists like to present that make me think: "if God really existed, would they need to use this nonsense?"

No. They absolutely do not need to. They just want to.

That itself, is a strong evidence. None of them are inferior in intelligence than you are.

 

[juvenissun]

That's not a claim. That's a personal preference of the moment.

So desperate....

That is your claim at that moment.

 

[Freodin]

No. They absolutely do not need to. They just want to.

That itself, is a strong evidence. None of them are inferior in intelligence than you are.

Hey, if they want to talk nonsense about something that they claim is so important to them... fine.
If they then want to be outraged and insulted about being called out for talking nonsense... fine.
If they never ever want to bring any reasonable arguments about their theology... fine.

But you cannot tell me that such a behaviour is a sign of intelligence.

 

[juvenissun]

Hey, if they want to talk nonsense about something that they claim is so important to them... fine.
If they then want to be outraged and insulted about being called out for talking nonsense... fine.
If they never ever want to bring any reasonable arguments about their theology... fine.

But you cannot tell me that such a behaviour is a sign of intelligence.

Here is the weakness of your reasoning:
Are you only focused on their arguments about science?
Are you willing to examine the non-science part of their wonderful arguments?

Furthermore, are you willing to pay attention to MY scientific arguments about God? Promise you that I will not talk about nonsense.

 

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Can you explain where everything came from?

God did it....read the bible. An eyewitness account.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

God did it....read the bible. An eyewitness account.

Do you have any evidence that this assertion explains anything? How did God do it?

 

[-57]

So for a god to exist, another god must also exist.

You may begin your special pleading efforts now.

That's not what I said. Its what you MADE me say to make your point.