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[ldonjohn]

You accused me of stating disparaging things I did not state. When I asked you to show where I said those disparaging things, you did not because you could not.

You accused me of omitting words from your quotes and changing your meaning. I posted your full quotes so that you and everyone could see the disparaging things you said about other Christians.

I will refute things you say that are not true.

My folly was in attempting to have a dialogue with a dishonest and rude person.

Ecco

OK, I'll have to admit that you have succeeded in drawing me into more debate with you. You asked me to point out to you again, where you used scripture out of context, and where you omitted words from my post. So, I will do that.

First, I'll point out where you omitted words from my post in your attempt to twist my words into your lie. See below:

Post #487:I said;
“Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Some people are CINO, Christians in Name Only. They go to church every Sunday, pray, and even believe in God, but have never experienced the true born-again conversion that God Himself offers to anyone who will allow the Holy Spirit to bring him/her to Christ through the message of the Gospel. I'm not their judge, but I suspect that those “ex-christians” you referred to were probably never real Christians, and their being offended by my post would be evidence that they were actually CINO's. By the way, before I actually became a real Christian I was one of those CINOs. I walked the walk and talked the talk but I was a fake.”
Then you accused me of making disparaging remarks against Christians.

Post #504; ecco, You said;

“First off, you, not I, were the one making disparaging comments about Christians:” in the above statement.

I gave scripture supporting that this not my opinion, but is biblical teaching. (Matthew 7:21-23 and 2 Cor 13:5). That is God's Word, not mine.

Next, You responded in post #504 to my following question; “

I do have a question for you. Are you afraid to know the truth about God?”

Post #504; ecco, you said;

“The truth about which god? Your Christian god. The god that Christians who, as you put it, are "CINO, Christians in Name Only" worship? The gods of the Hindus? The god of the Jew”

This is where you omitted the following words from my original statement above, “Not everyone who claims to be” and “Some Christians” as you attempted to twist my definition of “Christian” into your lie. This is where YOU accused me of saying that all Christians are CINOs. This is your lie.

Finally, again, I will point out where you used scripture out of context, in your attempt to accuse me of not keeping the Commandments.

Post 489: You said;

I am an atheist, but I have no problem with you using scripture for any reason you want. Just don't get offended when I do. 4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work
Do you ever do any work on the Sabbath? Or, maybe, I just don't understand what that Commandment really means.

I explained the purpose of the Sabbath in Post #506. But, again, you use scripture out of context, see below in post #507, in your attempt to show that the explanation I offered concerning the Sabbath was incorrect.

In post #507; You used the following scripture; then you attempted to explain its meaning. (I'm still laughing!)

Post #507; ecco said:
Matthew 5 said: 17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Next, ecco, you said.

“The first is a quote from a man (Paul), the second is attributed directly to Jesus. And yet, with some tortured logic...” and then you offered the following reference in an effort to prove your argument.
https://www.gci.org/bible/matthew517 (Emphasis mine) Based on the argument above, we would have to take Jesus’ words as enjoining every single commandment and regulation in the Law of Moses on Christians! The reason is because Jesus said that "not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen" from the entire body of the Jewish Holy Scriptures would disappear until "everything is accomplished."

To ask again: Did Jesus mean Christians had to keep all the regulations of the Law of Moses, including the "holy time" regulations of the Sabbath, or strict tithing, or the food laws? Consider what that line of reasoning would demand.

Christians would be obligated to keep all the sacrificial, ceremonial and civil laws described in the Law of Moses. They would have to keep every single law mentioned in Genesis through Deuteronomy — and the rest of the Old Testament. The Jews calculated that there were 613 laws in their Holy Scriptures. Christians, then, based on the idea that Jesus was telling his disciples to keep the regulations of the Law and the Prophets, would have to keep all 613 laws. No wonder the apostle Paul said that thinking in these terms was wrongheaded (Galatians 3:10).. Paul's ideas override those of Jesus because it would have been just too hard to do what Jesus said to do.

Ecco, I did read the article and you entirely missed it! Again, you copied the parts that you thought would prove your twisted lie here, but you REALLY missed it! That article confirms my argument, the biblical argument. I suggest you go back and read the entire article. Again, I'm still laughing!

And YOU accuse me of being dishonest. Really?

The instances where you quoted scripture, thinking you will convince me that I am wrong, but that you are correct, reminded me of the Pharisees who accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath when He healed the impotent man at the pool called Bethesda. They sought to slay Jesus, and when they approached Jesus He said to them; “search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life; and they testify of me; and you will not come to me that you might have life.” I'm not saying that you are looking for eternal life, but I am suggesting that those scriptures you used in your attempt to prove your argument do actually point to eternal life in Jesus, but you completely missed the teachings of those scriptures.

Don

 

[ecco]

First, I'll point out where you omitted words from my post in your attempt to twist my words into your lie. See below:

Post #487:I said;
“Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Some people are CINO, Christians in Name Only. They go to church every Sunday, pray, and even believe in God, but have never experienced the true born-again conversion that God Himself offers to anyone who will allow the Holy Spirit to bring him/her to Christ through the message of the Gospel. I'm not their judge, but I suspect that those “ex-christians” you referred to were probably never real Christians, and their being offended by my post would be evidence that they were actually CINO's. By the way, before I actually became a real Christian I was one of those CINOs. I walked the walk and talked the talk but I was a fake.”
Then you accused me of making disparaging remarks against Christians.

Apparently you do not understand that stating "Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Some people are CINO, Christians in Name Only" is disparaging to Christians. It really does not matter that you applied this term to yourself.

Next, You responded in post #504 to my following question; “I do have a question for you. Are you afraid to know the truth about God?”
This is where you omitted the following words from my original statement above, “Not everyone who claims to be” and “Some Christians” as you attempted to twist my definition of “Christian” into your lie. This is where YOU accused me of saying that all Christians are CINOs. This is your lie.

You just quoted yourself saying “Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Some people are CINO, Christians in Name Only." Where did I accuse you of saying that all Christians are CINOs?

Ecco, I did read the article and you entirely missed it!

I'm not about to look through 27 pages of posts to see what article you are referring to.

The instances where you quoted scripture, thinking you will convince me that I am wrong

Quoting scripture asking if you kept the sabbath? Yeah, I keep forgetting that the old laws no longer apply. Oops, that should be "those laws which we would rather ignore".

 

[HitchSlap]

is it true that what you are trying to say is that if the 'thing' in question cannot be measured by the human senses, then it doesn't make sense to believe upon it?

It certainly makes less sense, wouldn't you say?