Question

[DogmaHunter]

What do you think would be an adequate measure of general knowledge?

Iq test

IQ is a measure to assess the level of intelligence.
Which is not a measure of how much knowledge you have. They are not the same.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I didn't view the studies, honestly.

Personal observation is the only one that had the potential to be honest and pertinent.

Wow. Imagine if everybody thought like that....
We'ld still be living in caves, waging wars with other tribes on the accusation of them stealing our fire.

 

[Dr. Thaddeus T. They]

I'm interested to hear if any non-believers have seriously considered believing in God based on an argument or reason they heard from someone else, either on these forums or elsewhere.

I would think that those of you who have been on these forums for an extended period of time would have come across some argument or reason that has brought you close to believing in God, but maybe the opposite is true, maybe all the arguments just reaffirm your non-belief.

Do share if you want, thanks!

My name is Dr. Thaddeus T. They. I'm in my 80's and still doing my own stunts...All for my Lord Jesus Christ. I star in an online Christian devotional, with my wifie of over 60 years, Hortense and our Precious pooch, Puddles. We air weekly in over 150 countries at www.drandmrsthey.com where a lot of laughter that doeth good like a medicine is shared as well as Bible encouragements. One of our many mandates from The Lord... WINNING SOULS! I wanted to answer your question by sharing that because we have had many encounters with non-believers who tune in from all over the planet and come to Christ through reasoning and I'll replace (argument) with presentation of "truth". Truth includes "fact". One of the most powerful truths we've shared and won the souls of men and women with, and will continue to use are those true facts gathered by Ivan Panin. Once and atheist and brilliant mathematician, Ivan proved beyond doubt, having been challenged to investigate the original Greek and Hebrew mathematically that the Bible is a supernatural mathematical equation, impossible to have been written by man. Every Word is inspired by the Holy Spirit and truly man does not LIVE by bread alone but every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. As a result of His studies Ivan became a Christian and spent the entire rest of his life proving the entire Bible true through astonishing documented facts. You can read more about Ivan and details of his research by doing an online search. These truths and many many more (and there are many undisputed truths, such as things written in the Bible hundreds of years before they were discovered by man, scientific and otherwise ) have been shared and brought unbelievers to believing and faith in Christ all over the world. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe, yet we'll win their souls becoming all things unto all men proving the Bible is a supernatural document left to man from God with all the supporting facts available . Jesus came to show us the way through the living Word which is 100% truth, so we could experience true life here and in the eternal hereafter...Just exactly as proclaimed in the Holy Bible. I offer this on behalf of all the non-believers who considered Ivan Panin's discoveries and have come to believe through his findings. Blessings! Thaddeus

 

[ecco]

One of our many mandates from The Lord... WINNING SOULS! I wanted to answer your question by sharing that because we have had many encounters with non-believers who tune in from all over the planet and come to Christ through reasoning and I'll replace (argument) with presentation of "truth".

Well, here is a non-believer tuning in. I doubt I'll come to Christ, but have at it.

Truth includes "fact". One of the most powerful truths we've shared and won the souls of men and women with, and will continue to use are those true facts gathered by Ivan Panin. Once and atheist and brilliant mathematician, Ivan proved beyond doubt, having been challenged to investigate the original Greek and Hebrew mathematically that the Bible is a supernatural mathematical equation, impossible to have been written by man.

That would be interesting except that numerology, in all its many forms, has been debunked over and over. Using numerology, the book Moby Dick predicted many things including the assassinations of:

• Indira Gandhi
• Martin Luther King
• J. F. Kennedy
• Yitzhak Rabin
• Princess Diana

Would you agree that this puts Herman Melville on the same footing as god?
-or-
Would you admit that numerology is nonsense?

 

[katerinah1947]

Well, here is a non-believer tuning in. I doubt I'll come to Christ, but have at it.




That would be interesting except that numerology, in all its many forms, has been debunked over and over. Using numerology, the book Moby Dick predicted many things including the assassinations of:

• Indira Gandhi
• Martin Luther King
• J. F. Kennedy
• Yitzhak Rabin
• Princess Diana

Would you agree that this puts Herman Melville on the same footing as god?
-or-
Would you admit that numerology is nonsense?

Hi, (edits for spelling Etc, done now)

His point is to bring you to Christ.

Please excuse me for a moment @Chriliman .

My point, and many others here who were like you once, is I do not intend to bring you to Christ.

I do not intend to even bring you to God, nor The Holy Spirit, all of Whom I know personally, and no. No. Not in non real or imaginative ways.

I talk when allowed. Most talk when allowed, I think. Few it seems are to bring others to God.

It seems you are me and I am you in the years in my life leading up to 1990 something.

I am. I was. I hope to always be. A scientist.

Your statements are my statements from your prospective even now, sans the word stupid. A different word is used for that, in the way you use that here.

Yes, I am excessively brilliant at high end things, and excessively deficient at low level things. As a result, I am average like everyone else. The high end stuff is totally offset by the low end stuff, that I cannot do, nor be.

No statements by anyone did I see as compelling. (There is a reason) The last man actually trying to get through to me on the subject of God, which I was interested in finding a proof for, as I had none, and knew of no one else's proof either, and was told proofs for God cannot be had, and proofs for the non existence for God cannot be had either, by two men in my profession, but in a hallway talk, and therefore casual, well as I was saying that last man before me gave me all he had on two miracles that happened to him.

After he was done, I knew they did not convince me, and I told him why, calmly professionally courteously objectively.

Like you here today, I could see alternate explanations for what he experienced.

I said I was sorry. I was. I said I was sorry but I could see an alternate explanation for each of those miracles, that did not include God.

He said to me then: I hope someday something happens yo you that makes you certain.

It did one day. It did.

Initially, as I was new, one day a man who is not nice in God's world at all, not to me not to others, but still he was there, says something that was right.

Very little else mean people say about God is true. In fact mean people know almost nothing about God for real, but at the same time tell you the opposite. They say they know much.

He said God is an experience. 5 - 6 years later, I found out that is true.

Even I, and it has been confirmed and validated by both groups, the religious authorities, and the mental health science boys and girls, even I who knows much about God now from personal experiences, only learned about God, from and Through that,, personal experience with God, in one way or another.

@Chriliman asked for anyone who was swayed by logic and reason.

I was not, but, it would be nice to hear if anyone has been.

However, here I don't think anyone is to try to convince. We are just talking, as that is what is requested of us by @Chriliman

Maybe for everyone God is an experience first.

LOVE,

 

[Joyful Mama]

I started reaching out and exploring God on my own accord - nothing influenced in particular influenced me to do so. It was something in my own heart that was stirring. But certainly arguments and discussions that I have read and heard have definitely influenced and strengthened my exploration of faith.

 

[ldonjohn]

The things that are learned from a very early age stay with us. One cannot forget or ignore these things any more than one can unlearn or forget the language(s) they were raised in.

The "wanting to believe" stems from your early years of being told that Jesus/God is real. If you had been raised in India, your early years would have been filled with beliefs in Brahma.


I'm sure that there are many ex-christians who believed as deeply as you do, who would be very offended being told that they were not "true believers".

ecco
My post was directed to and was meant as a response to Chriliman's original post. The point of my post is/was that I became a Christian through the leading influence of the Holy Spirit; not from or as the result of an argument of any man or human being. Yes, the things I heard from my “early years” did influence me to become a Christian. I thank God every day that my parents took me to a Christian church every Sunday while I was growing up. The Holy Spirit used the things I heard from my early years to draw me to the truth of the Gospel. The Holy Spirit would not draw me to believe in anything other than the Gospel; that is the point of my post. I am using the term “Christian” to mean anyone who has been “born-again” into the family of God by “believing” or trusting in the Gospel message of Christ; or in the Message of the Cross. Anyone who has been born-again is and will always be a child of God. That person might later turn from and denounce his/her Christianity, but he/she will still be a child of God IF his/her conversion was real. A real Christian can never become a non-Christian even though he/she turns from their faith just like my son will always be my son even if he should denounce me as his father.

Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Some people are CINO, Christians in Name Only. They go to church every Sunday, pray, and even believe in God, but have never experienced the true born-again conversion that God Himself offers to anyone who will allow the Holy Spirit to bring him/her to Christ through the message of the Gospel. I'm not their judge, but I suspect that those “ex-christians” you referred to were probably never real Christians, and their being offended by my post would be evidence that they were actually CINO's. By the way, before I actually became a real Christian I was one of those CINOs. I walked the walk and talked the talk but I was a fake. Real Christianity comes through the Word of God and by the influence of the Holy Spirit; that is God's Way; the way of the cross; there is no other way. Also, I want to clarify something you said in your statement about many ex-christians being very offended where you said “who believed as deeply as you do.” The amount of or the level of belief in the Gospel does not determine whether or not the “believer” become a Christian. The weakest “belief” or the smallest degree of “faith” in the message of the cross is sufficient for one to become a true believer. The amount of faith is not important; the object of ones faith is the difference in real Christianity or fake Christianity. If the object of ones faith, no matter how weak it may be, is the message of the cross then the person is a true believer.

I am using bible truth, but I am not quoting scripture since you are an atheist and I know atheists don't want Christians to use scripture to prove something. Furthermore, scripture tells us that the unbeliever cannot understand spiritual things; that is the reason you don't understand how the Holy Spirit brought me out of the darkness of unbelief into the light of the Gospel, convinced me of the truth of God's Word, the Bible, and convinced me of the all sufficiency of the atonement of Christ's work on the cross to save lost people from the consequence of their sin. Scripture tells us that the preaching of the cross is foolishness to the unbeliever, therefore you can't understand the process an unbeliever goes through as he/she believes in the Gospel message of the cross.

There is no reason for me to enter into a debate about this matter with a atheist since atheists don't believe God exists and don't believe the bible is true. Nothing I could say would convince an atheist otherwise. Only God Himself can convince anyone that He exist, and I know atheists call that “circular reasoning,” and I can understand that, but if you add God's Word & the Holy Spirit to circular reasoning you will be headed in the right direction; the Truth.

Sincerely,
Don

 

[bhsmte]

My name is Dr. Thaddeus T. They. I'm in my 80's and still doing my own stunts...All for my Lord Jesus Christ. I star in an online Christian devotional, with my wifie of over 60 years, Hortense and our Precious pooch, Puddles. We air weekly in over 150 countries at www.drandmrsthey.com where a lot of laughter that doeth good like a medicine is shared as well as Bible encouragements. One of our many mandates from The Lord... WINNING SOULS! I wanted to answer your question by sharing that because we have had many encounters with non-believers who tune in from all over the planet and come to Christ through reasoning and I'll replace (argument) with presentation of "truth". Truth includes "fact". One of the most powerful truths we've shared and won the souls of men and women with, and will continue to use are those true facts gathered by Ivan Panin. Once and atheist and brilliant mathematician, Ivan proved beyond doubt, having been challenged to investigate the original Greek and Hebrew mathematically that the Bible is a supernatural mathematical equation, impossible to have been written by man. Every Word is inspired by the Holy Spirit and truly man does not LIVE by bread alone but every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. As a result of His studies Ivan became a Christian and spent the entire rest of his life proving the entire Bible true through astonishing documented facts. You can read more about Ivan and details of his research by doing an online search. These truths and many many more (and there are many undisputed truths, such as things written in the Bible hundreds of years before they were discovered by man, scientific and otherwise ) have been shared and brought unbelievers to believing and faith in Christ all over the world. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe, yet we'll win their souls becoming all things unto all men proving the Bible is a supernatural document left to man from God with all the supporting facts available . Jesus came to show us the way through the living Word which is 100% truth, so we could experience true life here and in the eternal hereafter...Just exactly as proclaimed in the Holy Bible. I offer this on behalf of all the non-believers who considered Ivan Panin's discoveries and have come to believe through his findings. Blessings! Thaddeus

Not buying it.

You can prove me wrong though.

 

[ecco]

A real Christian can never become a non-Christian even though he/she turns from their faith just like my son will always be my son even if he should denounce me as his father.

Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Some people are CINO, Christians in Name Only.
believer.

You do realize that people of all denominations of Christianity believe exactly the same way you do.
You do realize that people of all religions believe exactly the same way you do.

Every religious person believes: "my god is the real god, your god is a false god"; "my ways to worship are the right ways to worship, your ways to worship are the wrong ways to worship"; "my beliefs are based on truth, your beliefs are based lies and misunderstandings".

List of the Seven Deadly Sins:

1. Envy = the desire to have an item or experience that someone else possesses
2. Gluttony = excessive ongoing consumption of food or drink
3. Greed or Avarice = an excessive pursuit of material possessions
4. Lust = an uncontrollable passion or longing, especially for sexual desires
5. Pride = excessive view of one's self without regard to others.
6. Sloth = excessive laziness or the failure to act and utilize one’s talents
7. Wrath = uncontrollable feelings of anger and hate towards another person

I would have included "8. Arrogance" to the above list. But number 5 is close.

I am using bible truth, but I am not quoting scripture since you are an atheist and I know atheists don't want Christians to use scripture to prove something. Furthermore, scripture tells us that the unbeliever cannot understand spiritual things; that is the reason you don't understand how the Holy Spirit brought me out of the darkness of unbelief into the light of the Gospel,

I am an atheist, but I have no problem with you using scripture for any reason you want. Just don't get offended when I do.

4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work​

Do you ever do any work on the Sabbath? Or, maybe, I just don't understand what that Commandment really means.

There is no reason for me to enter into a debate about this matter with a atheist since atheists don't believe God exists and don't believe the bible is true. Nothing I could say would convince an atheist otherwise.

And yet you took the time to compose a lengthy post.

 

[ldonjohn]

You do realize that people of all denominations of Christianity believe exactly the same way you do.
You do realize that people of all religions believe exactly the same way you do.

Every religious person believes: "my god is the real god, your god is a false god"; "my ways to worship are the right ways to worship, your ways to worship are the wrong ways to worship"; "my beliefs are based on truth, your beliefs are based lies and misunderstandings".

List of the Seven Deadly Sins:

1. Envy = the desire to have an item or experience that someone else possesses
2. Gluttony = excessive ongoing consumption of food or drink
3. Greed or Avarice = an excessive pursuit of material possessions
4. Lust = an uncontrollable passion or longing, especially for sexual desires
5. Pride = excessive view of one's self without regard to others.
6. Sloth = excessive laziness or the failure to act and utilize one’s talents
7. Wrath = uncontrollable feelings of anger and hate towards another person

I would have included "8. Arrogance" to the above list. But number 5 is close.



I am an atheist, but I have no problem with you using scripture for any reason you want. Just don't get offended when I do.

4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work​

Do you ever do any work on the Sabbath? Or, maybe, I just don't understand what that Commandment really means.


And yet you took the time to compose a lengthy post.

Ecco,

My original post was a reply to Chriliman's original post. That is where I explained how I became a real Christian without any convincing arguments of man. I explained that it was through the power of God's Word and the convincing influence of the Holy Spirit that brought me out of the darkness of unbelief into the light of the truth of the Gospel, the Message of the Cross.

I did not ask you to respond to my post, but you chose to go through it and explain it away as though it was just the result of my experience of being raised in a Christian church. You completely dismissed the influence that the power of God's Word and God's Holy Spirit had in bringing me to seek the truth about God, the Bible, and Jesus.

Ecco, if are you trying to scare me with your list of “deadly sins” and the "commandments," you are too late. I learned many years ago that I could not keep the Commandments. No one can keep them. God knew we could not keep the commandments; He gave them to show us that we are sinners who need a savior. We are not under the Law; we are under Grace! That is what the Gospel is all about, GRACE! Jesus, our Savior, was and is a gift to everyone who will accept Him; He is Grace and Truth. Oh, and about that list of deadly sins; you would do well to consider the ONLY sin that sends anyone to hell; the sin of UNBELIEF! Jesus' death on the cross and His shed blood there took care of all our other sins.

I don't expect you or any atheist to agree with or to accept anything I post here, because you cannot understand spiritual things. 1 Cor. 2:14, “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.” That was the condition I described of myself before I became a “believer.” And, as I explained in my original post, the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit used the Word of God, the Bible, to enable me to understand scripture. IOW, the Spirit of God turned on the light for me so my blind spiritual eyes could see and understand the truth. No one can understand scriptural truths without the intervention of the Holy Spirit. I know you think I am prideful & arrogant, but the fact is that the opposite is true. The truth of my sinful condition and of my need to be forgiven of that condition was most humbling to me.

I did not enter into this thread for the purpose of debating atheists. I have allowed myself to be drawn into debates with atheist in the past where I answered questions of atheists who pretended to be seeking answers about scripture or about God. I quickly learned that they, atheists, are not looking for the truth about God, but instead are looking to draw Christians into an unending debate that gives the atheist the opportunity to show their contempt for Christians and for God. Those atheists didn't want Christians to quote scripture, but they, atheists, would pick & choose scriptures to quote in an attempt to prove a biblical contradiction or to suggest that the bible is teaching something that is impossible. They did that not knowing what they were doing because they do not believe in the God who can & will show them the TRUTH of scripture if they will earnestly seek Him. (1 Cor. 2:14, “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned.”)

My purpose in writing this response is not to offend you. I only wish to present the truth of God's Word. His Word just might offend you; it certainly offended me. First it offended me, then it convicted me, next it convinced me, and finally it changed me.

1 Cor. 1:18, "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God."

Don

 

[ml5363]

If you have proof, why do you need faith?

When I said proof meant that things that I have felt or things that have happened to me prove he is real...but we still have to have faith as believers...faith that everything will turn out right and that he will bestow all his promises on us, andfaith that we will follow in his footsteps by choosing the right path

 

[Chriliman]

However, here I don't think anyone is to try to convince. We are just talking, as that is what is requested of us by @Chriliman

Indeed, you can't convince anyone with mere talk, it is only by the power of God's love that anyone comes to know Him.

1 Corinthians 4:20
"For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power."

Let us not be distracted by arrogant talk, but let us humbly seek God's face first through His word, then His love will work through us and reach many.

Thanks for everyone's responses to the question. May God lead those who have an ear to hear, closer to Himself by the power of His Holy Spirit. Amen!

 

[ecco]

I did not ask you to respond to my post, but you chose to go through it and explain it away as though it was just the result of my experience of being raised in a Christian church. You completely dismissed the influence that the power of God's Word and God's Holy Spirit had in bringing me to seek the truth about God, the Bible, and Jesus.

You completely ignored the fact:

Every religious person believes: "my god is the real god, your god is a false god"; "my ways to worship are the right ways to worship, your ways to worship are the wrong ways to worship"; "my beliefs are based on truth, your beliefs are based lies and misunderstandings".​

Ecco, if are you trying to scare me with your list of “deadly sins” and the "commandments," you are too late.

I wasn't trying to scare you. I was just pointing out your arrogance.

I know you think I am prideful & arrogant, but the fact is that the opposite is true.

Your own writings show your arrogance.

I did not enter into this thread for the purpose of debating atheists. I have allowed myself to be drawn into debates with atheist in the past where I answered questions of atheists who pretended to be seeking answers about scripture or about God. I quickly learned that they, atheists, are not looking for the truth about God, but instead are looking to draw Christians into an unending debate that gives the atheist the opportunity to show their contempt for Christians and for God.

I have not pretended to be looking for the truth of god. I am well aware of the truths of gods.

My purpose in writing this response is not to offend you. I only wish to present the truth of God's Word. His Word just might offend you; it certainly offended me. First it offended me, then it convicted me, next it convinced me, and finally it changed me.

Nothing you have said or quoted from your bible offended me.

I did not enter into this thread for the purpose of debating atheists.

Just ignore my posts. Or just state you don't want me to respond to your posts. But when you post a wall of comments addressed to me, I take that as an invitation to discuss.

 

[DogmaHunter]

When I said proof meant that things that I have felt or things that have happened to me prove he is real...but we still have to have faith as believers...faith that everything will turn out right and that he will bestow all his promises on us, andfaith that we will follow in his footsteps by choosing the right path

...and faith that all of it is actually true.
...and faith that you actually weren't mistaken about the nature of your "personal experiences".

Since you have no way of objectively verifying it.

 

[katerinah1947]

...and faith that all of it is actually true.
...and faith that you actually weren't mistaken about the nature of your "personal experiences".

Since you have no way of objectively verifying it.

Hi,

We are told here, that this is not a discussion forum nor a debate issue. @Chriliman has asked a single question really.

Only part of what a Christian believes is using your definition of faith, that knows God in any Personal way.

Yes your definition of faith, may actually be used by quite a few people who say they are Christian.

There is another definition of faith, used without changing the word at all, that is more than faith, hence it should be called 'Faith Plus', but it is not.

As a result you are Totally right for many Christians, and you are Totally wrong and then some for other Christians.

Every Christian and person wants 'Faith Plus', I think indeed they will have it someday.

In the mean time, there is no way that I know of to give anyone that 'Plus' part. But, indeed what you call faith, and are using, is not what some others here are using.

LOVE,

 

[DogmaHunter]

As a result you are Totally right for many Christians, and you are Totally wrong and then some for other Christians.

Are you saying that you know of christians who can objectively verify and demonstrate that all the supernatural bits they believe to be true, are actually true?

If not, then they have "faith", exactly like I said they have. And in that case, I'm not "totally wrong", but rather "totally right".

 

[katerinah1947]

Are you saying that you know of christians who can objectively verify and demonstrate that all the supernatural bits they believe to be true, are actually true?

If not, then they have "faith", exactly like I said they have. And in that case, I'm not "totally wrong", but rather "totally right".

Hi,

Are you saying that you know of christians who can objectively verify and demonstrate that all the supernatural bits they believe to be true, are actually true? .......

Never all, but yes to some.

For instance, I know of The Existence of God Objectively, and all people like me can and have repeated corroborated that, independently of me.

However, for some other things, they are on faith, trust, because those too, came from God and are verified.

However, I have some things also that are still mostly on faith, and have the hope and possibility of being true, but to me they are not proven yet.

All people like me have some of all three in our lives.

...... If not, then they have "faith", exactly like I said they have. And in that case, I'm not "totally wrong", but rather "totally right".

Yes.

LOVE,

 

[DogmaHunter]

Never all, but yes to some.

Why have they not come forward to share the the world how one can objectively demonstrate that christianity is true?

For instance, I know of The Existence of God Objectively, and all people like me can and have repeated corroborated that, independently of me.

That is a serious claim.
Please share this objective proof you have.

 

[katerinah1947]

Are you saying that you know of christians who can objectively verify and demonstrate that all the supernatural bits they believe to be true, are actually true?

If not, then they have "faith", exactly like I said they have. And in that case, I'm not "totally wrong", but rather "totally right".

Hi,

However, even though some of can verify, all the supernatural stuff in our lives and almost all other things like that,


,Some of what people believe who cannot do that is still correct.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Why have they not come forward to share the the world how one can objectively demonstrate that christianity is true?



That is a serious claim.
Please share this objective proof you have.

Hi,

Why have they not come forward to share the the world how one can objectively demonstrate that christianity is true?

There are so many ways to answer your question.

Let me give you an answer, the one Jesus gave us, but in two ways.

The first way will be as delivered in Parable form: Matthew 7:15-16.

The second is a translation, 'mean people, will come along and by hurting others so they can feel less hurt, are here now, lying about me and they will be there to hurt anyone they can who actually knows what is right about Me.'

The second part is extremely significant, as it is those types in Corporations and Governments that damage them also.

In all organizations, mean people exist.

Those mean people existed in the Jewish Religion, and they killed all the prophets they could.

Those people exist,,, in Catholicism, and they killed Joan of Arc, hurt Galileo, and now to your question,,, sufficiently in numbers to go after people in the know, to have in the past killed many of them and scared the rest into hiding most of the time, and they are here now taking rather than giving to the world.

That is a serious claim.
Please share this objective proof you have.

This is an accurate statement. And it is only serious and to be squelched, by those mean people.

I have and do share continuously. It is in my posts. However, with my most recent failure with someone, what makes you think you will make yourself objective enough to not rail at what is so, if you yourself cannot understand the material?????

Have, you passed the prerequisites for understanding?

Do you even know what the prerequisite is?????

The prerequisite is honesty.

The prerequisites are honest enough to have been repeatedly injured by that, but refuse to stop anyway.

LOVE,