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Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

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What I think about the 1000yr period

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Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
When I look at the Book of Revelation; I look as if it is speaking to me inwardly; we are always blaming things on the Jews; God is speaking to us in the Book of Revelation. Was This is a very spiritual book; John in spirit on the Lord day.

Sure John used the Jews to speak of the hard headed religious types of his day; so the HS can speak to the hard headed religious type within all of us. When ever I see the word rich in the NT I do not think of some one with money; but someone so rich with preconceived believes they cannot hear what the spirit is saying to the church. What is a synagogue? It is a place of worship; below is a definition I like to use to make my point.

The Greek word for "assembling" is EPISUNAGOGE. The word, literally, is a verb meaning to synagogue. It is a compound of the Greek prefix EPI with the word SUNAGOGE from which we get our transliterated English word Synagogue. EPI means super- imposition - that which is above, higher than, highest, upon. SUNAGOGE means a meeting, assembly, or gathering. Putting these two words together, EPI- SUNAGOGE means THE ABOVE SYNAGOGUE, THE HIGHER MEETING, THE HIGHEST ASSEMBLY, THE HIGHER-THAN-ALL-GATHERINGS! It bespeaks of something far greater than merely collecting so many breathing bodies together in one place. It is a meeting in a higher realm, on a higher plane, in the high places of the Spirit, and in the heights of Truth. It is a gathering together in a dimension above. It indicates an assembling IN THE SPIRIT, as Paul also testified, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:6). Tens of thousands, yea, tens of millions of believers gather together in "church buildings" every Sunday morning, and because they make the effort to get out of bed, get the family ready, and drive off to a warm pew, they are convinced that they have met the requirements of the divine fiat: "Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together


Satan means the accuser;

Well has George Hawtin written: "I would to God that all God’s elect might see that everything everywhere is working tirelessly and endlessly to produce sonship in those who are the called according to His purpose. Everywhere! Everything! Temptations, tears, heartaches, unfaithful friends and brethren, loss of property, loss of business, perils, hateful neighbors, fiery furnaces, dens of lions, rugged crosses, and isles of exile! All things! All things! All things, too numerous to mention, are working for the good of God’s elect, and are adding, though unseen now, an exceeding and eternal weight of glory to us."


Now — that is every passage in the whole New Testament in which the word "tribulation" appears! Twice it speaks of the great tribulation that came upon the Jews when God abolished the Old Testament order of Law and Sacrifices by destroying the Jewish nation, temple, and priesthood. Once tribulation is pronounced upon those who persecute the saints. Once Jesus promises great tribulation to those believers in the churches who commit spiritual fornication. AND IN EVERY OTHER PASSAGE THE HOLY SPIRIT SPEAKS OF THE TRIBULATION WE ENDURE AS GOD’S ELECT!

Tribulation is a word that the Holy Spirit uses in the book of Revelation only in relation to saints

We cannot even get to the Holy of Holies until the plagues or calamities are complete in our life.

"They returned again…confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:21-22).

"Tribulation" has been brought into the English language from the Latin. The verb is tribulare, which means, "to press, to oppress, to afflict." The Latins had a tribulum, a threshing sledge which separated grain from chaff. It consisted of a wooden platform studded underneath with sharp flints or iron teeth. As this instrument passed over the pile of grain the wheat was separated from the straw. We can well understand how a man undergoing afflictions would compare his sufferings with those which would be inflicted if such an instrument passed over him. Now, how can a son of God rejoice in such grinding pressure?

The idea that the "Great Tribulation" is going to be poured out upon the world is a stupidity that contradicts every scripture passage on tribulation in the whole New Testament! Perhaps we have been casual in reading the very words of the Lord Jesus to His own, "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world" (Jn. 16:33). Mark the connection of thought! He clearly did not say, "On this earth the world is going to get the tribulation

"But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and He that formed thee, O Israel. Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. When thou passeth through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: and when thou walketh through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour…" (Isa. 43:1-3).


Not one son of God can escape the process! You can be a nice sweet Christian and go to heaven when you die without suffering or tribulation. But you cannot be a son apart from chastening and tribulation! You can be saved by grace and blessed with all the free gifts of God without testing and trial


Under pressure and bruising we turn to the Lord in a deeper, more intense way, and the Spirit moves mightily on our behalf to guide, comfort, encourage, rebuke, teach, correct, counsel, reveal, instruct, develop, strengthen, mature and perfect us.

All of them have endured the strippings, purgings, prunings, threshings, refinings, and purifying dealings of God and have been thoroughly chastened and corrected by the Father.
It is interesting to note that the term "great tribulation" appears only twice in the book of Revelation, and neither time does it apply to the world. In both cases it has to do with the Lord’s own people! Jesus said he would cast the spiritual fornicators of the church age into great tribulation, unless they repented. What do you suppose would be the purpose of the great tribulation? Why, bless your heart, would it not be to influence and motivate them to repent! And then John sees a great multitude that has come out of great tribulation. A wonderful transformation has taken place in them through the process of the great of the Lamb." They were already God’s people, and were not now washed from the filth of the flesh they walked in before they were saved, rather, they were washed from the defilement of religion and religious systems! As a result of their going through that great tribulation, God’s purpose was accomplished in their lives. Cleansed and purified by the Lamb, they were transformed and brought very near to His throne of love, grace, and power. JPE
This "great tribulation" has lasted throughout the two thousand years since Christ came and began to form His body in the earth. All through the age He has called out people after people, company after company, from the apostate church systems of their day, and now, praise His name, there is a great multitude that no man can number!


Now — that is every passage in the whole New Testament in which the word "tribulation" appears! Twice it speaks of the great tribulation that came upon the Jews when God abolished the Old Testament order of Law and Sacrifices by destroying the Jewish nation, temple, and priesthood. Once tribulation is pronounced upon those who persecute the saints. Once Jesus promises great tribulation to those believers in the churches who commit spiritual fornication. AND IN EVERY OTHER PASSAGE THE HOLY SPIRIT SPEAKS OF THE TRIBULATION WE ENDURE AS GOD’S ELECT!

Tribulation is a word that the Holy Spirit uses in the book of Revelation only in relation to saints

We cannot even get to the Holy of Holies until the plagues or calamities are complete in our life.



Were we not all there at one time? To these the Lord Jesus said, "Behold, I will cast her into a bed (of trouble), and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds" (Rev. 2:22). It is interesting to note that the term "great tribulation" appears only twice in the book of Revelation, and neither time does it apply to the world. In both cases it has to do with the Lord’s own people! Jesus said he would cast the spiritual fornicators of the church age into great tribulation, unless they repented. What do you suppose would be the purpose of the great tribulation? Why, bless your heart, would it not be to influence and motivate them to repent! And then John sees a great multitude that has come out of great tribulation. A wonderful transformation has taken place in them through the process of the great tribulation. They have now "washed their robes" and have "made them white in the blood of the Lamb." They were already God’s people, and were not now washed from the filth of the flesh they walked in before they were saved, rather, they were washed from the defilement of religion and religious systems! As a result of their going through that great tribulation, God’s purpose was accomplished in their lives. Cleansed and purified by the Lamb, they were transformed and brought very near to His throne of love, grace, and power.

White robes in the book of Revelation denote "the righteous acts of the saints" (Rev. 19:8) These are the ones "coming out" of "the great tribulation" having their robes washed in the blood of the Lamb! Praise God! It is His own harvest! How many are there? "A great multitude that no man could number." It is the "great" tribulation because of the "great" multitude! No man can experience more than his own tribulation. This "great tribulation" has lasted throughout the two thousand years since Christ came and began to form His body in the earth. All through the age He has called out people after people, company after company, from the apostate church systems of their day, and now, praise His name, there is a great multitude that no man can number!

This is why above Christ waited 2000 years to complete His purpose in the earth.


 
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And the bible is not a code where in we pick it apart and take a bit from one place, and a bit from another, and again from another and put those bits together as though they were written that way.

That is the great error of dispensastionalism and other forms of millenialism . . . . the digging being referred to here by some is just that - a rewriting of the scriptures by taking them apart and rearranging bits together that were not originally together.

That is a grave misuse of scripture.




Prov 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Not a code? First of all I totally understand where you are coming from; so many of God’s people see the Word of God has literal and reject anything out side of those religious laws and taboos. God’s Word is not always simple; I say it is hidden; a hidden mysteries (Greek sacred secret) The word mystery is written 27 times in NT. Hidden manna, mystery, parables, types, shadows; allegories, different languages, when you put all this together; it makes it almost invisible to the carnal eyes of man’s traditions and understanding.

Revelation 2:17
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit
says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of
the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new
name written on it, known only to him who receives it.
 
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Revelation 2:9

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.


Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

When I look at the Book of Revelation; I look as if it is speaking to me inwardly; we are always blaming things on the Jews; God is speaking to us in the Book of Revelation. Was This is a very spiritual book; John in spirit on the Lord day.

Synagogue is a jewish term of assembly ... giving a clue of Law teaching ... we are not under law any more thus this church is using another Jesus to follow 2 cor 5:16, 2 cor 11:4,13-15,

look up the two differnet words for doctrine...

disache... doctrine for faith and practice
didaskalia.. doctrine for faith but not practice

the Synagogue of Satan is using didaskalia doctrtine for one practice ... which is not surprising that He would use God's word and twist the words to misdirect people as He did with Eve... in the garden
 
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Even the poll show that the majority believe in the 1000 years.
Majority HERE maybe, but the "literall" 1,000 year reign of Christ is not a teaching of the Catholic or Orthodox churches. That accounts for roughly 1.7 billion Christians, which would be a significant majority of Christianity.
 
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Hi. I have been reading the different viewpoints of different denomination, including the Orthdox, Roman church and mainstream Protestantism.
I have but one question. Does JESUS return Before or After the 1000yr period. I have looked at amillennialism and chiliasm both of which makes no Scriptural sense. Let the poll begin.
What 1000 year period
 
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But in countries where christians are persecuted as a matter of course, they know this eschatological belief system is bunk and laugh at it. They are experiencing tribulation now. It is not future.

Then how can the RCC claim that we are ALREADY in the millennium, if people are going through the tribulation.. ?

Dispenationalism, and millenialism, is an abberancy held to by the few.

And if you think that numbers here reflect what is true in the real world, you are greatly mistaken.


It is a false eschatological belief system. period.

The funny thing about these comments is this.. you're taking the EXACT same portion of scripture from REV 20, and simply applying its timing to the present time.. although the context of REV 20 is clearly future..and easily shown to be future..
 
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And the bible is not a code where in we pick it apart and take a bit from one place, and a bit from another, and again from another and put those bits together as though they were written that way.

That is the great error of dispensastionalism and other forms of millenialism . . . . the digging being referred to here by some is just that - a rewriting of the scriptures by taking them apart and rearranging bits together that were not originally together.

That is a grave misuse of scripture.

then explain Jacob in gen 28:12 without doing this...

since the bible is God's word... tell me without do this?

here is my verses..ex 19:6, Isa 2:2-3, 65:20, zech 8:20-23, 14:16, john 1:51, rev 22:17
 
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But it is about REAL things...events, beings, times, places...

The symbolism represents REAL things.

It's not like an actual beast comes up out of the ocean...it's symbolic of a real being that's mentioned elsewhere is scripture including Daniel and 2 Thess 2.


The King of Kings and Lord of Lords that comes with armies of heaven following Him is REALLY Jesus who REALLY kills the evil people gathered against Him.


It speaks of REAL things that are symbolized because it's talking about what happens on earth when the spiritual world tangibly comes "to play" on earth.

Yes, the symbolism argument from the amil camp is silly at best, because the bible itself is full of imagery and symbolism which DOES relate to literal things.. ie..

Christ is the Lamb of God.. does that mean that He is literally a lamb.. a little animal.. no, of course not, although it literally means that He is God's offering to the world for its sin..

Christ is the DOOR through which we must be saved, although that doesn't mean that people are turning a literal doorknob to get to Him.. although He is literally the only way for people to get saved..

Come on folks.. the symbolism argument is silly at best.. and it gets really silly when the amil folks start talking about what REV 20 actually does mean.. that's where amil doesn't have a leg to stand on.
 
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Seriously folks.. if you'd like to witness for yourself how silly the amillennial viewpoint is.. simply ask any person who holds to the amil viewpoint to explain what REV 20:1-6 actually means.. ;)
:) We would love to hear it and that view appears to be as bad as the "future rapture" doctrine is.

LLOJ [believes amill is Unscriptural and is still waiting on chopsticks]

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful-one and True-one and in justice He is judging and is battling.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=42771526#post42771526

Chapter 20 Verse 4-5 Deals with Christ's Established Church that refussed to follow the beast. This was all done when Rome converted to Christianity and the 1000 years began.

http://www.gotquestions.org/amillennialism.html

The amillennial view comes from using one method of interpretation for unfulfilled prophecy and another one for non-prophetic Scripture and fulfilled prophecy. Non-prophetic Scripture and fulfilled prophecy are interpreted literally or normally. But according to the amillennialist, unfulfilled prophecy is to be interpreted spiritually, or non-literally. Those who hold to amillennialism believe that a "spiritual" reading of unfulfilled prophecy is the normal reading of the texts. This is called using a dual hermeneutic. Hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation. The amillennialist assumes that most, or all, unfulfilled prophecy is written in symbolic, figurative, spiritual language. Therefore, the amillennialist will assign different meanings to those parts of Scripture than the normal, contextual meanings of those words.
It should be noted that the term Amillennialism is a reactionary title in that it denies the presence of a future literal 1000-year reign of Christ on earth that premillennialists affirm. However, Amillennialists do in fact believe in a millennium; what they reject, though, is the idea of a future literal 1000-year reign of Christ on earth after the second coming of Christ.

According to Amillennialism, the millennium of Revelation 20:1–6 is being fulfilled spiritually in the present age before the return of Jesus Christ. Thus, the millennium or kingdom of Christ is in existence now. Amillennialists affirm that the millennium began with the resurrection and/or ascension of Christ and will be consummated when Jesus returns again to establish the Eternal Kingdom that is discussed in Revelation 21–22.
 
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"Millenialism" is a heresy known as chiliasm and was condemned by the church at the Second Ecumenical Council of Constantinple in 381 AD.

The words "And His kingsom shall have no end" were inserted into the Creed of Nicea specifically to stave off this errant teaching.

Everything that is old is made new. These new errant teachings are just old heresies with a fresh coat of paint.
 
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"Millenialism" is a heresy known as chiliasm and was condemned by the church at the Second Ecumenical Council of Constantinple in 381 AD.

The words "And His kingsom shall have no end" were inserted into the Creed of Nicea specifically to stave off this errant teaching.

Everything that is old is made new. These new errant teachings are just old heresies with a fresh coat of paint.
Hi AVO. I also agree with that but then I believe both views are "heresies" and they both look awfully similar at that.

Everything you ever wanted to know about "chiliasm" but were afaid to ask [and for good reason!!!!]

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/articles/subcats.asp?id=9|21

Evaluating Premillennialism: Part II - Christ’s Return and the Rapture by Cornelis P. Venema
No evaluation of Dispensational Premillennialism may ignore its teaching of a two-phased return of Christ, the first phase of which is commonly known as the rapture.

One might think that the Rapture is the product of the Reformation, since almost all of its adherents are Protestants, but not so. The student searches in vain to find the Rapture doctrine among the writings of Martin Luther, John Calvin, or John Knox. John and Charles Wesley know nothing of the theory. Even the Puritans (some of the most radical of the radical Protestants) never heard of or wrote about the Rapture. As a matter of fact, not only do the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and Anglicans deny such a teaching but all "mainstream" Protestants do as well. The Rapture is not to be found in the doctrinal statements of Presbyterians, Lutherans, or Methodists (at least not in the main bodies of each of these groups).

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O88-chiliasm.html

chiliasm The doctrine or belief that Christ will reign on earth for 1,000 years. There are numerous examples of chiliast cultic and sectarian movements in the history of the Christian Church. For example, in the medieval period, the Taborites (led by the Bohemian priest Martin Huska) preached the imminent advent of Christ, to be preceded by a period of catastrophe, followed by a New Age of His rule on earth (see H. Kaminsky , ‘Chiliasm and the Hussite Revolution’, Church History, 1957). Chiliasm is therefore a specific form of millenarianism and shares many of the same characteristics. Thus, in anticipation of the Second Coming, chiliast communities tend to secede from the larger social order, not only spiritually but also physically, often living (as did the Taborites for a time) in a state of collective emancipation—recognizing no traditional authorities, norms, or legal restraints; shunning family and home; and turning over material possessions to common funds.
 
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Hi AVO. I also agree with that but then I believe both views are "heresies" and they both look awfully similar at that.

Everything you ever wanted to know about "chiliasm" but were afaid to ask [and for good reason!!!!]

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/articles/subcats.asp?id=9|21

Evaluating Premillennialism: Part II - Christ’s Return and the Rapture by Cornelis P. Venema
No evaluation of Dispensational Premillennialism may ignore its teaching of a two-phased return of Christ, the first phase of which is commonly known as the rapture.

One might think that the Rapture is the product of the Reformation, since almost all of its adherents are Protestants, but not so. The student searches in vain to find the Rapture doctrine among the writings of Martin Luther, John Calvin, or John Knox. John and Charles Wesley know nothing of the theory. Even the Puritans (some of the most radical of the radical Protestants) never heard of or wrote about the Rapture. As a matter of fact, not only do the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and Anglicans deny such a teaching but all "mainstream" Protestants do as well. The Rapture is not to be found in the doctrinal statements of Presbyterians, Lutherans, or Methodists (at least not in the main bodies of each of these groups).

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O88-chiliasm.html

chiliasm The doctrine or belief that Christ will reign on earth for 1,000 years. There are numerous examples of chiliast cultic and sectarian movements in the history of the Christian Church. For example, in the medieval period, the Taborites (led by the Bohemian priest Martin Huska) preached the imminent advent of Christ, to be preceded by a period of catastrophe, followed by a New Age of His rule on earth (see H. Kaminsky , ‘Chiliasm and the Hussite Revolution’, Church History, 1957). Chiliasm is therefore a specific form of millenarianism and shares many of the same characteristics. Thus, in anticipation of the Second Coming, chiliast communities tend to secede from the larger social order, not only spiritually but also physically, often living (as did the Taborites for a time) in a state of collective emancipation—recognizing no traditional authorities, norms, or legal restraints; shunning family and home; and turning over material possessions to common funds.
I'm allergic to Dispensationalism. It gives me a rash.
 
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I'm allergic to Dispensationalism. It gives me a rash.
:thumbsup: You can ask Teresa Little Flower about that as we both share this same view :D

quote tlf: "The dispensationalist forum is full of such very narrow minded people that I easily become too frustrated".......................

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"Millenialism" is a heresy known as chiliasm and was condemned by the church at the Second Ecumenical Council of Constantinple in 381 AD.

The words "And His kingsom shall have no end" were inserted into the Creed of Nicea specifically to stave off this errant teaching.

Everything that is old is made new. These new errant teachings are just old heresies with a fresh coat of paint.

So, again... if you'd really like to show us how silly the amillennial viewpoint is.. simply teach us what REV 20:1-6 means to you and the RCC..

We'll wait..
 
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And the bible is not a code where in we pick it apart and take a bit from one place, and a bit from another, and again from another and put those bits together as though they were written that way.

That is the great error of dispensastionalism and other forms of millenialism . . . . the digging being referred to here by some is just that - a rewriting of the scriptures by taking them apart and rearranging bits together that were not originally together.

That is a grave misuse of scripture.
I think you might be misunderstanding what i'm saying...

Prophecies are written through more than one prophet. Daniel speaks of one proud guy who sets up an abomination and rules over the saints through at least 3 different visions. Revelation also mentions this same proud guy doing the same thing as does 2 Thess 2.

Bits and pieces of the same event are given through different passages of scripture.

Why do we ask, seek, knock? Why was the scroll sealed UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END?

Dan 12:4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”




Dan 12:8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
Dan 12:9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.




If only the wise will understand, who is the source of wisdom? When we ask, seek, knock, we are given of the Holy Spirit who leads and guides and teaches us INDIVIDUALLY.

Here we are at the time of the end and those words written...what...2500 years ago...make more and more sense.
 
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So, again... if you'd really like to show us how silly the amillennial viewpoint is.. simply teach us what REV 20:1-6 means to you and the RCC..

We'll wait..
According to this it is being spiritually fulfilled through the Roman church. At least that is what this appears to be saying.
If the Roman church is saying they are in the millennium, then they are saying JESUS returned as most of those voting says He returns before that period. :eek:

http://www.gotquestions.org/amillennialism.html

..........According to Amillennialism, the millennium of Revelation 20:1–6 is being fulfilled spiritually in the present age before the return of Jesus Christ. Thus, the millennium or kingdom of Christ is in existence now. Amillennialists affirm that the millennium began with the resurrection and/or ascension of Christ and will be consummated when Jesus returns again to establish the Eternal Kingdom that is discussed in Revelation 21–22.............

http://christianforums.com/showthrea...6#post42771526

Chapter 20 Verse 4-5 Deals with Christ's Established Church that refussed to follow the beast. This was all done when Rome converted to Christianity and the 1000 years began.
 
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According to this it is being spiritually fulfilled through the Roman church..

This is partly the silliness I'm talking about.. because whenever amil's start telling you what the verses in REV 20:1-6 mean to them.. they must place them into a 'present tense' context.. rather than their proper future context..

There were no chapter divisions in the word of God.. and Rev 20 is simply the continuation of Rev 19 which speaks of the marriage of the Lamb, and then of His coming in glory to destroy the beast and his false prophet, who are gathered together with the kings of the earth to make war with HIM.. the King of kings of Lord of lords..

To place REV 20 into a 'present time' context is completely removing it from its proper future context.. and so this is why I simply asks amil's to tell us what REV 20 means.. because it all falls apart when that is attempted.. it literally makes no sense, and it is amazing to see the lengths to which some of these folks will go to.. in order to make REV 20 say what THEY want it to say...
 
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This is partly the silliness I'm talking about.. because whenever amil's start telling you what the verses in REV 20:1-6 mean to them.. they must place them into a 'present tense' context.. rather than their proper future context..

There were no chapter divisions in the word of God.. and Rev 20 is simply the continuation of Rev 19 which speaks of the marriage of the Lamb, and then of His coming in glory to destroy the beast and his false prophet, who are gathered together with the kings of the earth to make war with HIM.. the King of kings of Lord of lords..

To place REV 20 into a 'present time' context is completely removing it from its proper future context.. and so this is why I simply asks amil's to tell us what REV 20 means.. because it all falls apart when that is attempted.. it literally makes no sense, and it is amazing to see the lengths to which some of these folks will go to.. in order to make REV 20 say what THEY want it to say...
Is that mainly a Roman Papacy catholic view?

http://christianforums.com/t6810414-i-pray-thee-open-his-eyes.html#post43534599
I pray thee open his eyes
 
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