You clearly speak only one language and know nothing about the nuances of translating into different languages with completely different cultures where there simply IS NO direct word for word translation.
Believe what you want, but if we stray from scripture, we can end up with believing in hallucinations produced by seriously impaired minds in the throes of death.Paul was not talking about anyone but himself. Clearly other scripture writers saw stuff they wrote about without getting smitten by a thunderbolt.
What if you ignore scripture and believe in the hallucinations of a dying person instead?In that case since computers are not 'in scripture ' either they don't exist ,or they
are off the devil .Thank Heaven that so many limited minds can no longer prevent
research and personal révélations or humanity would still be living in 33 AD .
Adding to scripture is not a wise thing to do.I have just read that you are a convert ,and that christianity therefore is not in your tradition . As a newbie you should be careful , but also you should be careful to respect those who have more experience than you .Just because you have not eperienced something does not mean it is not true and that there is nothing to learn . Why Don't you and some of the deniers here ask questions sometimes ?
People who say that 'scripture ' is enough , must say which version ,and which translation ,and how much ablity to understand has the individual .
There was so much said by Jesus which never made it into the Bible ,but I know that God has chosen some to understand those things which do not appear in the protestant bible particularly which is an edited one .
No, but he couldn't tell if he was in his body or out of it. NDEs think they left their bodies from what I gather.
Just that I don't rely on the hallucinations of seriously impaired people in the throes of death.First NDE is not death itself. Death is rather a fated process with no return unless a resurrection is done. You will finally figure out who resurrected you in the case of a resurrection. Paul's situation bears the characteristic of being resurrected. Right after being resurrected there is a short while when the soul may not be fully "combined" with the body that your soul can still see what's happening in another realm. It is a continued process unlike a dream which is discrete. In a dream things are not continuous that this minute you are in heaven and the next minute you are in hell.
The main indication of a true death is the flying out of your spirit. The spirit knows in advance that it's a no return death and it will decide to leave the body. Since then you need a resurrection in order to return.
That is not what NDEs are all about, however. Whatever happens and what they relay about their experience...it is after an apparent death, not while they are "in the throes of death."Just that I don't rely on the hallucinations of seriously impaired people in the throes of death.
Many do not report experiences in heaven or hell, but just out of the body on Earth.NDEs are in principle very similar to what Paul and others seem to have experienced.
By that I mean their human spirit lifts out of their physical body and starts to view the realm of the heavens.
Some people find their spirit lifts free of their body due to the effects of anaesthetics in hospital.
Or with that, either.In the drug and occult scene, similar things happen, usually encouraged by demonic forces wanting to take control of ungodly people.
But it doesn't match anything in scripture and could be hallucinations only.That is not what NDEs are all about, however. Whatever happens and what they relay about their experience...it is after an apparent death, not while they are "in the throes of death."
I still don't trust NDEs and haven't heard one yet I believe isn't hallucinatory.As for the latter point, no. And that is why NDEs are fascinating, intriguing, whatever.
They cannot be explained away as hallucinations; if they could, there wouldn't be much interest in them.
I was thinking that you would probably be interested to read some of the research. One of the books written by Raymond A. Moody, Jr. for example. He's not a head over heels believer in NDEs and most of what he presents are case studies.I still don't trust NDEs and haven't heard one yet I believe isn't hallucinatory.
I'm interested but yet have I found one I believe is authentic even though the person is sincere.I was thinking that you would probably be interested to read some of the research. One of the books written by Raymond A. Moody, Jr. for example. He's not a head over heels believer in NDEs and most of what he presents are case studies.
I said they start to view the realm of the heavens which is quite correct. If they do not return to their body, from that starting position, they will be hopefully taken to the nicer part of heaven or if not, the other not so nice part.Many do not report experiences in heaven or hell, but just out of the body on Earth.
I didn't say they were NDEs, but they have the same effect on the human spirit as NDEs.Strictly speaking, those are not NDEs. There is nothing special about people saying strange things while under anesthesia.
Again, I never said they were NDEs.Or with that, either.
Sorry but no. SOME people reporting NDEs may report what you are talking about, but many, perhaps most, do not. Nor do they later move from their starting position to visions of heaven, etc.I said they start to view the realm of the heavens which is quite correct. If they do not return to their body, from that starting position, they will be hopefully taken to the nicer part of heaven or if not, the other not so nice part.
Well, you can see how it appeared that you were saying that they were, since you brought them up in the midst of talking about NDEs. But, no matter, we can agree that they are not part of this issue.I didn't say they were NDEs, but they have the same effect on the human spirit as NDEs.
Again, I never said they were NDEs.
Without historical and cultural context, your understanding of the Bible is meaningless. Distortions base on not understanding the original Greek and Hebrew texts. Without context, you can distort the Bible to genocide, as Christians frequently did against Jews. ESPECIALLY HITLER.You don't understand that it doesn't matter, so long as someone can read or has read the manuscripts. There is nothing devious or contrary in the fact that God chose someone to write as he was inspired to do--exactly as the Bible itself testifies.
but.... there is christians who have died and seen jesus etc
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