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Question about the flood

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It can't. Water tends to flow downhill.
Then show me the containment wall that surrounded Mesopotamia at the time.

(For the sake of your junk science, I'll pretend Noah lived in Mesopotamia ... not New Jersey ... just to make your task easier. [Not that it's going to get me an honest answer.])
 
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Then show me the containment wall that surrounded Mesopotamia at the time.

(For the sake of your junk science, I'll pretend Noah lived in Mesopotamia ... not New Jersey ... just to make your task easier. [Not that it's going to get me an honest answer.])

Why? The Flood of Noah is a myth. There is no need for a containment wall.
 
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Sorry, another verse that you do not understand does not take away the obvious errors in the Bible.

Since God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, authored the Bible, i would be careful if I were you. Blasphemy/Slander of the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. Amen?
 
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God created three universe.

Right....

And once again, scientists did not discover that life came from water. We've known about water's vitality for life for centuries. You are now repeating things I have shown you to be false, as well as some really unorthodox views on the interpretation of Genesis. I don't see how I can have a rational discussion with you.

Getting ready to run away I see. Doesn't bother me. Here are the 3 Universes:

1. Adam's firmament, which God called "Heaven" was made on the 2nd Day by GOD the Trinity and immersed in water. Gen 1:6-8 KJV
2. The present "Heaven/Universe" was made on the 3rd Day by Lord God/Jesus. Gen 2:4 KJV.

This means that one Heaven made on the 2nd Day equals one.
Add to that Heaven the other HeavenS (Plural) which were made on the 3rd Day and it comes up to at least 3 Heavens or Universes within the Multiverse. Amen?
 
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This is just dishonest. This argument can support any claim, regardless of the truth value of said claim; it is thus fallacious.

Please be more specific in your disagreement unless you are afraid that I can refute your every word. Amen?
 
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Whatever statement you want to make about what evolution is going to "evolve" and go through constant change and revision. Just like text books are constantly being revised. I looked once and the ONLY changed in a text book was one chapter in the book. A $200 book can turn into a $5 book because they revise one chapter. This is the sort of change we can expect from science.
What change is that? That as new evidence gets found, theories have to be adjusted to take those new findings into account, sometimes even being discarded completely? Even if that means textbooks have to be rewritten?

Yes, that's exactly what we should expect from science. And I hope it stays that way.

Often revisions are a result of new information.
Absolutely. Why else?

My brother wrote a text book and he did not want to put the work into doing the revisions.
Sounds like he doesn't really care about the accuracy of information he presents.
 
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It's the difference between temporary and eternal creatures. Jesus made the temporary (His kinds) and God the Trinity created ETERNAL creatures, which means that they will be in Heaven. They are THEIR kinds.

Noah brought His kinds or the kinds which Jesus made since they might or might not have been on our planet. It depends on whether they were Eternal (Their kinds) or temporary (His kinds). Remember that Jesus made the creeping kinds like Mosquitoes, which could easily be deleted IF God the Trinity chooses to delete them. All The Trinity would have to do is to NOT create them, eternally. God Bless you
You have not answered my question. Which animals were on the Ark that were not already present on this earth? Specifically. Lions but not tigers? Kangaroos but not possums?

You should really take a good long look at your theory and your claims about it if you can't answer this simple question.
 
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Which animals were on the Ark that were not already present on this earth?
The plants and animals on the Ark were what we call domesticated from the Tigris Euphrates river valley. By definition because plants and animals can only be transported if they are domesticated. A word that science uses today is botany. This includes the study of wild plants becoming domesticated.

IF all the plants and animals in the world were on the ARK Noah would have to go all over the world to get them and after the flood take them all back to exactly where they came from. In the Philippines for example there are 7,000 islands in and each island has it's own bio-diverse ecology.

Moses would have to get each monkey back to the original island it evolved on.

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This thinking comes from the skeptics Bible and is the product of a reprobate mind. There is no error in the Bible - there is an error in the way skeptics, scoffers and infidels understand and interpret the Bible.
Then how do you explain the fact that different Christians interpret the Bible differently?
 
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Since God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, authored the Bible, i would be careful if I were you. Blasphemy/Slander of the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. Amen?
The people that interpret the Bible certainly aren't perfect, are they? Or do you claim to have perfect knowledge of what God intended as the correct interpretation of His Word?
 
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The plants and animals on the Ark were what we call domesticated from the Tigris Euphrates river valley. By definition because plants and animals can only be transported if they are domesticated. The modern word that people use today is botany. This includes the study of wild plants and animals becoming domesticated.
I'm not asking about the real world that most of us live in. I'm asking about Aman777's version of reality, in which Adam and Eve's "universe" was hidden under Lake Van in Turkey.
 
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Then how do you explain the fact that different Christians interpret the Bible differently?
Being a Christian does not mean you represent God. Many are called to the ministry but few are choose because we are called to be Holy and Sanctified before God. We are called to be of one mind and one accord.

Right now people are complaining about so called prophets on YouTube that does not represent God. Even though there are a few people there that does represent God and they are in agreement with each other.

Paul tells us that we see dimly as a reflection in a mirror. Now we know in part and when we arrive then we shall fully know and understand.
 
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I'm asking about Aman777's version of reality, in which Adam and Eve's "universe" was hidden under Lake Van in Turkey.
Sorry I did not mean to interrupt your conversation. He has to answer for himself about Lake Van. My understanding of Ancient Mesopotamia comes from Science and having studied ancient history for the last 50 years.
 
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The people that interpret the Bible certainly aren't perfect, are they?
The original Hebrew is perfect and we need to study the Bible in the original language. Just about every original Hebrew word would require a whole modern book to define and explain. Those who study Kabbalah really get into the expository meaning of the words.

"In Hebrew, each letter corresponds to a number. As a result, any word or name can become a series of numbers. Numbers can be taken one at a time or added together. There is significance when words include or add up to the same numbers; the meaning of the words that share numbers are thought to be deeply related or even identical."

The scribes had a way of counting what they wrote to make sure they did not make any mistakes,

The Ties between Letters, Words, and Numbers | II. Before there Was Time. 10. When Letters and Words Add Up | A Guide to the Hidden Wisdom of Kabbalah | Books | Michael Laitman | Kabbalah Library - Bnei Baruch Kabbalah Education & Research Institute
 
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The original Hebrew is perfect
How do you know? And please don't say "because Kaballah". Any interpretation framework where if you don't get what you expect you can just add things up differently until you get what you're looking for is not something to be relied upon.
 
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Since God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, authored the Bible, i would be careful if I were you. Blasphemy/Slander of the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin. Amen?


And yet you can't support that claim at all. Worse yet the Bible itself clearly tells us that is not the case. And I am not the one committing blasphemy here. If anyone is you are. You keep calling God a liar. You keep calling God incompetent.

Nowhere does it say the the Bible is authored by God in the Bible. At best you only have vague references to "scripture" but that is not ever properly defined at all. Of course if it did then the entire New Testament at the least would not exist.
 
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Please be more specific in your disagreement unless you are afraid that I can refute your every word. Amen?
My disagreement is that you are being fallacious. It is utterly juvenile to discredit me by saying "you're being vague therefore you are afraid of me."

But if you want a more specific refutation, by all means. You are saying "if you disagree, that just means you can't understand. [Therefore any disagreement with X must be incorrect, therefore X is true.]" (Bracketed parts implied.) But I could argue that, say, Harry Potter is fundamentally and necessarily true, and if you don't understand how that could be true, you simply don't understand the full truth of Harry Potter. The whole point of an argument is that it can support truthful claims better than false claims, and so a good argument for a claim suggests that the claim is true. So if your argument works just as well on any claim you can imagine, it does not actually work as an argument.

Or alternatively, you aren't showing me anything - I already knew that all Fully General Arguments worked on any given claim. So saying "here's a Fully General Argument" doesn't give me any new information; I have no reason to shift my beliefs in that case.
 
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Whatever statement you want to make about what evolution is going to "evolve" and go through constant change and revision. Just like text books are constantly being revised. I looked once and the ONLY changed in a text book was one chapter in the book. A $200 book can turn into a $5 book because they revise one chapter. This is the sort of change we can expect from science.

Often revisions are a result of new information. My brother wrote a text book and he did not want to put the work into doing the revisions.
This is a specific form of a rather common argument against science; namely, the argument that science disagrees with itself, or changes its mind, whereas [insert alternative here] is always confident and never changes its mind. This is a purely emotional argument; humans prefer the comfort of certainty when they can get it. But if we cannot be certain about anything, what is better? To arbitrarily pick a belief and stick by it, regardless of the evidence? Or to shift one's beliefs as theories become more refined, as new evidence comes in, as the feedback loop of science and technology provides more opportunities to test previously untestable claims? Which is more likely to approach the truth? If your religion is false, its dogma will stand against all evidence to the contrary; but if science contains a false claim, it can eventually be rooted out and replaced with a more truthful alternative.
 
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Being a Christian does not mean you represent God. Many are called to the ministry but few are choose because we are called to be Holy and Sanctified before God. We are called to be of one mind and one accord.

Right now people are complaining about so called prophets on YouTube that does not represent God. Even though there are a few people there that does represent God and they are in agreement with each other.

Paul tells us that we see dimly as a reflection in a mirror. Now we know in part and when we arrive then we shall fully know and understand.
But how can you tell which YouTube prophets are false and which true? How can one distinguish them, if religion is impervious to evidence?
 
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