Question about the flood

[joshua 1 9]

Francis Collins believes that

Don't tell me what you think he said, give me the quote so we can see what he really said.

 

[joshua 1 9]

just because you may have a lack of education

This is a flame and a personal attack. I have no lack of education. In fact I have found in life that people are guilty of what they accuse others of. So be careful because you may find yourself exposing more than you want to expose.

 

[AV1611VET]

So be careful because you may find yourself exposing more than you want to expose.

It's a little late for that, chief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

On his website. He does not claim to have all the answers because ever answer creates 10 more questions. Also he has some questions he answers on belief net. As a Christian we have more answers then Scientists have apart from the Eternal Word of God. I have always said science and religion are like a left and right hand. We need both working together in symphony and in harmony.

"Well, as a scientist who's also a believer, the chance to uncover the incredible intricacies of God's creation is an occasion of worship. To be able to look, for the first time in human history, at all three billion letters of the human DNA--which I think of as God's language--it gives us just a tiny glimpse into the amazing creative power of his mind. Every discovery that we now make in science [is], for me, a chance to worship him in a broader sense, to appreciate just in a small bit the amazing grandeur of his creation. It also helps me appreciate though that as a scientist, there are limits to the kinds of questions that science can answer. And that's where I have to turn to God and seek his answers."
Read more at 'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

If he made such a claim why did you not quote it? It appears that you are merely misinterpreting his website since you want to claim that a well respected scientist supports you. You must show where he made the statement thaty you claim that he made.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There were lots of people ON the earth. There were lots of males and lots of females. Adam and Eve was the first man and the first women. They were the first husband and the first wife. They were the first farmers and the beginning of Civilization. The list of firsts just goes on and on. To many firsts to list in a single post.

Sorry but now you are off in lala land again. And I see that you never supported your claim about Collins and Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were never even said to be "married" in the Bible. That is your opinion but you will not be able to support it.

DNA tells us that Time magazine Eve had many daughters. Brian Sykes talks about 7 different daughters of Eve in Europe alone. The Eve in the Bible is one of those 7 daughters (19 world wide). She gave birth to the Hebrew people today. There actual genealogy is in the Bible. For example the Muslim people call Abraham their father and Hagar the maid of Sarah is their mother. The Hebrew people have Abraham for a father and Sarah for a mother. So they are the children of the same father but a different mother. Christians today are adopted into the family of God so they do not have the same DNA as the Muslims and the Hebrews.

Now you are creating your own mythology that is neither biblical nor scientific.

I just ran the DNA on my son. He is 33% Asian, 48% European, 17% Polynesian & 2% middle east. I thought he had more middle east and less Asian but that did not turn out to be the case. None of this was a surprise because I have studied the written history of our family and the DNA just confirms what we know from written history.

That appears to have nothing to do with the conversation.

This is exactly what happens with the Bible. The DNA confirms the Bible to be accurate and true. Even if man's myths and mistaken beliefs and traditional interpretations of the Bible are shattered. Jesus tells us in Mark 7:8 "You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.” He warns us in Mark 8:14 to "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod". Clearly Mark was a good student and he listened to the teachings of the Master. People would be wise to beware of the traditions of man and the leaven of the Pharisees today. We need to take stumbling blocks and turn them into stepping stones. To many people continue to stumble and fall because they lack the wisdom, knowledge and understanding of God. Good that Matthew was listening when Jesus said: "Disregard them! They are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” Matthew 15:14

No, no no, you are merely picking and choosing from science and reinterpreting the Bible to match findings after the fact. That is not "science supporting the Bible". To actually find that you need someone on record before a discovery is made telling us what the Bible predicts. And one alone does not do it since a person may make many such prophesies and be right only once or twice, just as "psychics" make tons of prophecies at the end of the year and then tout the one or two that actually come true.

Perhaps people would do good to disregard the teaching of the blind that stumble around in the darkness. Blessed are those that have eyes to see and ears to hear the truth and they understand the teachings of Jesus as the disciples did.

Sorry, but you are the one that is blind here. Don't project your flaws upon others please.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't say it was the one before Pangaea. I said Nuna was the first one, and that Pangaea wasn't the first one. In fact, if I recall correctly, Pangea was one of if not the last... for now.

But there were ones before that, as the article that I linked showed. Of course you may have been relying on an older article.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is a flame and a personal attack. I have no lack of education. In fact I have found in life that people are guilty of what they accuse others of. So be careful because you may find yourself exposing more than you want to expose.

It is not a flame since I did say "may". Your posts indicate that you do have such a lack, meanwhile your post about my supposed lack of education was much more of a flame than mine was.

 

[Jimmy D]

Don't tell me what you think he said, give me the quote so we can see what he really said.

I did, in my previous post to that one, it's in the interview called "evidence for belief". Didn't you bother looking at it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is a flame and a personal attack. I have no lack of education. In fact I have found in life that people are guilty of what they accuse others of. So be careful because you may find yourself exposing more than you want to expose.

No it wasn't, please note the use of the word "may". And you know that is not the case, you quoted me out of context. If anything you flamed me in the post that I was responding too. You tried to lie and say that I lacked some basic education just because you are mad about the fact that you believe the myths of the Bible. I pointed out in that post how you were guilty of what you accused others of.

By the way, when you quote out of context it only demonstrates an attempt to be dishonest. You should quote fully and in context if you want to make such a claim. You would be very very hard pressed to find me making the same error that you just made.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's a little late for that, chief.

AV, you should not be flaming others, yet you have been doing that quite often of late. Why is that?

 

[Jimmy D]

By Francis Collins being wrong.

Consider for a moment that you might be wrong, I mean, you're both Christian's with only a subjective opinion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Consider for a moment that you might be wrong,

Sure.

Nope ... not wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, you should not be flaming others, yet you have been doing that quite often of late. Why is that?

Me!? Flame someone!? Perish the thought!

 

[Queller]

It was the SAME point in God The Trinity creating other animals Eternally.

This doesn't make any sense as an English sentence.

Gen 1:21 He loves the innocent animals He created. I answered your question but you didn't like my answer. His kinds are temporary but Their kinds are Eternal.

You have NOT answered my question. Which animals were on the Ark that were not already present on this earth? Specifically. Lions but not tigers? Kangaroos but not possums?

 

[Queller]

Sadly AV was correct in his rebuttal. The air thins as one rises above sea level. Less air pushing down makes for lower air pressure. The flood would have raised sea level.

It isn't sad that AV occasionally gets one right. It's sad that he doesn't realize that he got it right using the science that he claims can "take a hike".

 

[Queller]

You said evolution is a fact and this is only a half truth because by your own admition now you admit that evolution is a fact and a theory. You do not seem to want to argue against talk origins.

It is a fact that life changes (evolves) over time. The Theory of Evolution is the best evidenced explanation we currently have for that fact.

 

[Queller]

Oooooooh. Space age. New age. I like it.

Ask him how long Adam lived with Jesus. Go on, I dare you.

 

[Queller]

Looks like you forgot to do a google search before making this claim. Scientists have acquired new data supporting the idea that the last ancestor shared by all living primates walked with the dinosaurs more than 80 million years ago. Have you heard of Darwin's theory of evolution and the theory of common ancestor?

New Study Supports Idea That Primates, Dinosaurs Coexisted

That's 120 million years after Pangaea broke up.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That's 120 million years after Pangaea broke up.

Ok so if primates do not go back to Pangaea then what did they evolve from. What common ancestor was alive back at the time of Pangaea?

 

[joshua 1 9]

It is a fact that life changes (evolves) over time.

Whatever statement you want to make about what evolution is going to "evolve" and go through constant change and revision. Just like text books are constantly being revised. I looked once and the ONLY changed in a text book was one chapter in the book. A $200 book can turn into a $5 book because they revise one chapter. This is the sort of change we can expect from science.

Often revisions are a result of new information. My brother wrote a text book and he did not want to put the work into doing the revisions.