Question about curse words?

[Sammy-San]

The Bible makes it very clear to not offend someone who is a Babe in Christ. That alone is why I feel convicted not to use that type of language. The word you are writing about is not, in and of itself, a sinful word. However, many find the use of that word to be offensive. Also, The Word of God below affirms my thoughts on the whole subject.

Phil.4

1. [8] Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Would you argue the word itself is bad? You aren't saying " mate with" or "have sex with" it describes sex in a direct way-which I find to be obscene.

Is Cursing a Sin? What the Bible Says About Profanity

2. God says cursing and filthy language is wrong because it lowers the beautiful relationship between a husband and wife to the level of animals. Animals do not properly love; they physically reproduce. It is impossible for humans outside the marriage bond to love one another in physical sex. God breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul (Genesis 2:7). Perfect love is reflected when a man loves another human being – his wife – as Christ Himself loved the church and gave Himself for it (Ephesians 5:25). For human beings, sexual relationships are beautiful and holy – in marriage. Hebrews 13:4, “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” To use vile words for the sexual relationship is a sin against God.

 

[Sammy-San]

@Superhero Sam
because "to have sex with" is just one of many definitions of that word. the word has taken that definition (same with all cursewords which have real definitions) and has made it slang. Has given in a negative meaning that's purpose is to offend. The word can no longer have a neutral or positive connotation no matter how you mean it because it is too often used in a venomously way.

We don't even use the words in their proper way because of that reason. I'll never refer to a female dog, or a mule, or feces, or whatever else using those words because
1. don't want to offend a brother
2. Don't want people to overhear a piece of the conversation and think that I am using these words in other ways. Then my witness is ruined. Imagine that conversation.

"You are supposed to be a Christian? And you are using that word!?!
"No no no, you don't understand, I used it meaning this..."
Guarantee that person is not going to say oohhhhhh, ok.

do not let what is good for be evil spoken of
abstain from all appearance of evil.



further: as I have established, and as history has established. It is not just the word, but the attitude behind it. any word has the potential to become a curseword. or just a bad word in general. take a word, make it a slang, and use it to curse.
I'm not a big fan of substitute swear words either for this reason. I mean, if you think about it. Saying DANG IT is the exact same thing as saying the other thing. I mean, it is the meaning and attitude that makes the other word bad in the first place...

It's still the same poison, just in a different container.

Would you agree some language is just degrading apart from the specific use of the F word?

Speaking of that, would you say all insulting is a sin or at least, not in accordance with what pleases God?

 

[Grandpa2390]

Would you agree some language is just degrading apart from the specific use of the F word?

Speaking of that, would you say all insulting is a sin or at least, not in accordance with what pleases God?

Now I say this a disclaimer that I am not perfect. Not saying that I 100% of the time abide by my principles. so,

anyways for the first question I am not sure what you are asking. I did say that any word can be used as a curseword. the curse words at one time were real words, with real meanings. that were appropriate. Now they are evil slang. think of how the word cool came to also mean awesome... except with cursewords they went in a more evil vile direction.

Insulting behind someone back is kind of like gossip isn't it?

and to their face... I do not think that is the way Jesus taught us to live. Jesus never even stood up for himself. The only time Jesus ever went on the offensive, was in defense of God and true theology. Insulting the pharisees and attacking them because of how they distorted Gods truth and so forth. But it wasn't just slander (later on, libel). What he said was accurate.

If that makes sense. I think it depends on the spirit of the insult. Insulting kind of implies evil will. Calling someone lazy because they are lazy is different than calling them lazy because you are purposing to tear them down..


I am not an expert, I expect people to spot holes in what I am saying because I don't have all the answers and so forth. any questions about what I said are questions worth discussing.

 

[Sammy-San]

Now I say this a disclaimer that I am not perfect. Not saying that I 100% of the time abide by my principles. so,

anyways for the first question I am not sure what you are asking. I did say that any word can be used as a curseword. the curse words at one time were real words, with real meanings. that were appropriate. Now they are evil slang. think of how the word cool came to also mean awesome... except with cursewords they went in a more evil vile direction.

Insulting behind someone back is kind of like gossip isn't it?

and to their face... I do not think that is the way Jesus taught us to live. Jesus never even stood up for himself. The only time Jesus ever went on the offensive, was in defense of God and true theology. Insulting the pharisees and attacking them because of how they distorted Gods truth and so forth. But it wasn't just slander (later on, libel). What he said was accurate.

If that makes sense. I think it depends on the spirit of the insult. Insulting kind of implies evil will. Calling someone lazy because they are lazy is different than calling them lazy because you are purposing to tear them down..


I am not an expert, I expect people to spot holes in what I am saying because I don't have all the answers and so forth. any questions about what I said are questions worth discussing.

I've heard people talking about celebrities calling them degenerates and the A word. Is that sinful or at least, not in accordance with standards that pleases God?

The A word is commonly used when describing a nasty person.

 

[lsume]

Would you argue the word itself is bad? You aren't saying " mate with" or "have sex with" it describes sex in a direct way-which I find to be obscene.

Is Cursing a Sin? What the Bible Says About Profanity

Thank you for helping to strengthen my point. There are many people who find that word to be offensive. I do not use that type of language nor do those that I typically associate with. However, based on my extensive background, I've certainly heard much worse. Filthy conversation is not Christian. You might lookup all of the times in the New Testament the word "conversation" is used, a sample of which follows;

Eph.2

1. [3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Eph.4

1. [22] That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Phil.1

1. [27] Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

 

[Sammy-San]

Thank you for helping to strengthen my point. There are many people who find that word to be offensive. I do not use that type of language nor do those that I typically associate with. However, based on my extensive background, I've certainly heard much worse. Filthy conversation is not Christian. You might lookup all of the times in the New Testament the word "conversation" is used, a sample of which follows;

Eph.2

1. [3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Eph.4

1. [22] That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Phil.1

1. [27] Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Does filthy mean obscene or more than that?

Hearing people cursing just triggers OCD.

 

[lsume]

Does filthy mean obscene or more than that?

Hearing people cursing just triggers OCD.

The Word of God clearly shows that filthy conversation is not a Spiritual quality and I believe that all true Christians feel that using filthy language is wrong. It does not just boil down to semantics. Once you read every verse in The New Testament where "conversation" is used (KJV), it's very clear that using vulgar language is not a Spiritual asset. Also,
John.1

1. 
   [9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Everyone born knows right from wrong. However,
2Thes.2

1. [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1John.1

1. [6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Most people don't want to hear the truth and after a time of ignoring ones conscience,

Rom.1

1. [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

These are strong Words that carry great truth. Unfortunately, there is probably a supposedly Christian church out in the world somewhere that will tell you whatever you want to hear.

 

[Sammy-San]

The Word of God clearly shows that filthy conversation is not a Spiritual quality and I believe that all true Christians feel that using filthy language is wrong. It does not just boil down to semantics. Once you read every verse in The New Testament where "conversation" is used (KJV), it's very clear that using vulgar language is not a Spiritual asset. Also,
John.1

1. 
   [9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Everyone born knows right from wrong. However,
2Thes.2

1. [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1John.1

1. [6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Most people don't want to hear the truth and after a time of ignoring ones conscience,

Rom.1

1. [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

These are strong Words that carry great truth. Unfortunately, there is probably a supposedly Christian church out in the world somewhere that will tell you whatever you want to hear.

By vulgar do you just mean obscene or more than that?

More importantly. Is it a waste of time trying to justify why certain language is obscene and filthy?

Cursing triggers OCD. One time I made a comment against homosexuality being okay by saying all sex is gross and the response was something like "all-then how were you born".

I keep having OCD about "what they say cant be true, because if it is true then how is the M word vulgar and filthy"?

 

[lsume]

By vulgar do you just mean obscene or more than that?

More importantly. Is it a waste of time trying to justify why certain language is obscene and filthy?

Cursing triggers OCD. One time I made a comment against homosexuality being okay by saying all sex is gross and the response was something like "all-then how were you born".

I keep having OCD about "what they say cant be true, because if it is true then how is the M word vulgar and filthy"?

I'm not savvy to the many acronyms used today via text and email communications. What is OCD? From the many Scriptures that I've quoted to this posting, every true born again Christian knows the difference between right and wrong. When, in times past, that I found myself trying to justify some errant thought or behavior, I was quickly put back on track by The Grace of God. I think a general way to explain this wouod be to go back to John 1:9 and Romans 1. After praying about those Words of God, I believe that clarity on many issues can be achieved. God is not the author of confusion. We should all be very clear about what is right and what is wrong. I'm not the judge and I do thank God often that I'm not. Learning to live in the moment is a long term goal that some day I hope to be able to truly do without exception.

 

[Sammy-San]

The Word of God clearly shows that filthy conversation is not a Spiritual quality and I believe that all true Christians feel that using filthy language is wrong. It does not just boil down to semantics. Once you read every verse in The New Testament where "conversation" is used (KJV), it's very clear that using vulgar language is not a Spiritual asset. Also,
John.1

1. 
   [9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Everyone born knows right from wrong. However,
2Thes.2

1. [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1John.1

1. [6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Most people don't want to hear the truth and after a time of ignoring ones conscience,

Rom.1

1. [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

These are strong Words that carry great truth. Unfortunately, there is probably a supposedly Christian church out in the world somewhere that will tell you whatever you want to hear.

does filthy have other meanings besides obscene?

 

[GeorgeJ]

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[lsume]

Does filthy mean obscene or more than that?

Hearing people cursing just triggers OCD.

Col.3

1. [8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

1Tim.3

1. [3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
2. [8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

Tit.1

1. [7] For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
2. [11] Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

1Pet.5

1. [2] Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

2Pet.2

1. [7] And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Jude.1

1. [8] Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Rev.22

1. [11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

 

[Sammy-San]

Col.3

1. [8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

1Tim.3

1. [3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
2. [8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

Tit.1

1. [7] For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
2. [11] Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

1Pet.5

1. [2] Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

2Pet.2

1. [7] And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Jude.1

1. [8] Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Rev.22

1. [11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Does that refer to obscenity or more?

I would argue getting angry and calling a person a jerk is different than saying a vulgar word.

 

[Anguspure]

I know the Bible doesn't specifically name what words are profane or "curse words". from what I understand anything that would cause someone to stumble, or any word that is insulting to another person can be a curse word. but what about words that aren't generally curse words or insulting, for example like suck or heck. i.e "I suck at rollerskating" or, "what the heck was that for?"
I wondered because I've heard many pastors use words like these, and they don't really offend me or anything, but I'm just curious what the bible might say about using these words in the context above.
I don't use words like this because I feel like I've done something wrong when I do, but when it comes to words like these, does it really just boil down to conviction?

I live and work at sea and it is interesting that even in this culture the use of profanity is recognised as a bit less than intelligent. While I was a ships officer aboard passenger vessels it was regarded as unbecoming of an officer to speak in this way.
I also have a problem with the use of our Lords name as a curse. It doesn't matter how many times I hear it in this way I cringe, although I am careful not to let on, as there are many who would use this knowledge as entertainment.

 

[Sammy-San]

Col.3

1. [8] But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

1Tim.3

1. [3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
2. [8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

Tit.1

1. [7] For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
2. [11] Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

1Pet.5

1. [2] Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

2Pet.2

1. [7] And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Jude.1

1. [8] Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Rev.22

1. [11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

I read profanity is using vile words for sex. What makes a word vile?

 

[RaymondG]

I live and work at sea and it is interesting that even in this culture the use of profanity is recognised as a bit less than intelligent. While I was a ships officer aboard passenger vessels it was regarded as unbecoming of an officer to speak in this way.
I also have a problem with the use of our Lords name as a curse. It doesn't matter how many times I hear it in this way I cringe, although I am careful not to let on, as there are many who would use this knowledge as entertainment.

So the phrase "You curse like a sailor" is now obsolete?

 

[Anguspure]

So the phrase "You curse like a sailor" is now obsolete?

LOL not at all. There are officers and then there are crew. The crew, for the most part (and sadly many officers as well), embrace a culture of proud ignorance that is happily expressed through the use of much profanity, among other things.
Hence the need to hide ones dismay at the ill use of Jesus' name. To reveal it would be a source of much hilarity to Bevis and Butthead.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I think one good thing to remember about all this is while many are acting "better" because they don't swear/hate swearing.... we should not be prideful if we, in this case, do not swear. Because the moment we see ourselves as higher up, we will get knocked down to reality. By that I mean we all have our issues. Some swear, some look at porn, some are about money, some gossip, some are gluttons...etc.

Its definitely good to talk about these things for examination. But we also must remember none of us are worthy really.

 

[Dr Bruce Atkinson]

I know the Bible doesn't specifically name what words are profane or "curse words". from what I understand anything that would cause someone to stumble, or any word that is insulting to another person can be a curse word. but what about words that aren't generally curse words or insulting, for example like suck or heck. i.e "I suck at rollerskating" or, "what the heck was that for?"
I wondered because I've heard many pastors use words like these, and they don't really offend me or anything, but I'm just curious what the bible might say about using these words in the context above.
I don't use words like this because I feel like I've done something wrong when I do, but when it comes to words like these, does it really just boil down to conviction?

Going out of our way to be offensive, with no redeeming motive, is clearly wrong. However, the scriptures do reveal that there is a time for everything, even crude language. Some people seem to have been living in a sterile Amish language bubble and not in the real world.

Paul and Crap

The Apostle Paul, when he wanted to communicate quite clearly, would use strong words. Most translators have cleaned up Paul’s occasional uses of foul language, but it is there (1 Corinthians 4:13, Philippians 3:8).

“σκύβαλα is commonly translated as rubbish, refuse, or garbage, but sometimes more strongly as dung, in both ancient and modern translations (Vulgate, Tyndale, KJV, NET). Some have suggested another four-letter translation, stronger than dung.

A teacher of NT Greek told me that σκύβαλα is the closest thing to a swear word you can find in the New Testament. C. Spicq's Greek lexicon even suggests that σκύβαλα should be rendered crap. But is it true? Is σκύβαλα a swear word, or maybe a rude word? Or is it unobjectionable?”

Reference to biological excrement is not nearly as offensive as some of the language used by Jesus Himself in putting down the scribes and Pharisees ("whitewashed tombs full of dead men's bones" "nest of vipers"). At least manure can be used as fertilizer when old and dried out. On the ranch, we would shovel it into gunny sacks and sell it to our neighbors for their gardens.

To be offended by this smelly noxious material is universal. To be offended by the mere mention of it is naïve prudery and downright foolish.

It is not taking the Lord’s name in vain, it is simply referencing a natural biological reality— with a very specific symbolic meaning— that is, the evil (words, actions) that come out of sinful human minds and hearts, that nasty stuff we need to shovel away, flush, bury, and/or burn. B.S. as a verb (dictionary definition) means to deceive or attempt to deceive with flattery, lies, etc.

Read entire article by Gary Manning Jr. -- http://www.thegoodbookblog.com/2015/oct/01/did-the-apostle-paul-use-profanity/

Bottom line: The problem does not so much lie in the words themselves but in the dirty minds of those who read and interpret them to be so.

 

[Anguspure]

Going out of our way to be offensive, with no redeeming motive, is clearly wrong. However, the scriptures do reveal that there is a time for everything, even crude language. Some people seem to have been living in a sterile Amish language bubble and not in the real world.

Paul and Crap

The Apostle Paul, when he wanted to communicate quite clearly, would use strong words. Most translators have cleaned up Paul’s occasional uses of foul language, but it is there (1 Corinthians 4:13, Philippians 3:8).

“σκύβαλα is commonly translated as rubbish, refuse, or garbage, but sometimes more strongly as dung, in both ancient and modern translations (Vulgate, Tyndale, KJV, NET). Some have suggested another four-letter translation, stronger than dung.

A teacher of NT Greek told me that σκύβαλα is the closest thing to a swear word you can find in the New Testament. C. Spicq's Greek lexicon even suggests that σκύβαλα should be rendered crap. But is it true? Is σκύβαλα a swear word, or maybe a rude word? Or is it unobjectionable?”

Reference to biological excrement is not nearly as offensive as some of the language used by Jesus Himself in putting down the scribes and Pharisees ("whitewashed tombs full of dead men's bones" "nest of vipers"). At least manure can be used as fertilizer when old and dried out. On the ranch, we would shovel it into gunny sacks and sell it to our neighbors for their gardens.

To be offended by this smelly noxious material is universal. To be offended by the mere mention of it is naïve prudery and downright foolish.

It is not taking the Lord’s name in vain, it is simply referencing a natural biological reality— with a very specific symbolic meaning— that is, the evil (words, actions) that come out of sinful human minds and hearts, that nasty stuff we need to shovel away, flush, bury, and/or burn. B.S. as a verb (dictionary definition) means to deceive or attempt to deceive with flattery, lies, etc.

Read entire article by Gary Manning Jr. -- http://www.thegoodbookblog.com/2015/oct/01/did-the-apostle-paul-use-profanity/

Bottom line: The problem does not so much lie in the words themselves but in the dirty minds of those who read and interpret them to be so.

I have heard that when reading some of the more explicit or offensive bits of passages in the Bible, the Rabbis lower their voices to a whisper so that the congregation can not hear what is being said.