Pyramids and the flood

[JacksBratt]

Hello Joshua. But Noah would still need to 'walk the animals' from their habitat physically on to the Ark. if God brought them to the Ark, or had them migrate to the Ark, then he could have just as easily brought them or had them migrate out of the 'Persian Gulf'. If Noah were trying to save the animals that were unique to the 'Persian Gulf', those not found a hundred miles distant in areas untouched by the flood, why build an Ark large enough to accomodate so many more?

Animals sense danger and move, from a volcanic erruption or forest fire for example. From a local flood the whole Ark idea is redundant. You would not need to walk them, they would be escaping danger themselves. The Ark is necessary because there is no dry ground anywhere for them to escape to, a global flood.

As the bible says:

I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish (Gen 6:17)

Not just the Gulf creatures, everything on earth.

God Bless

Not to mention that the beings that made up the "corrupted" flesh that had thoughts that were " continually evil all the time" would have just walked away as well.

God says that every creature that breathed from a nostril... was killed... except for those on the ark.


Anyone out there, who calls themselves a christian, doubt that?

 

[Andy centek]

The Egyptian pyramids were constructed between 4700 YBP and 2700 YBP. The hypothetical flood of Noah was about 4300 YBP. So, some before and some after. The pyramids at Giza are among the oldest.

 

[Andy centek]

Jackrt:

I think your right. The flood given in Genesis was a not as many think from what I have gathered by very close reading of the account. Also the English word, world does not alway mean the Planet Earth, in fact,most of the time it means a chosen area of land, such as a contry. In the case of Genesis, the land given to Israel !!!

Andy Centek

 

[Denadii]

The Egyptian pyramids were constructed between 4700 YBP and 2700 YBP. The hypothetical flood of Noah was about 4300 YBP. So, some before and some after. The pyramids at Giza are among the oldest.

What on Earth is YBP? And why all the focus on the Egyptian pyramids? The pyramids of Bosnia are larger, and what about the ones in China? Alaska, and scattered all over the planet? Why do they focus on Egypt? If the Egyptians buit their pyramids, who built the other ones? But yes...The pyramids are far older than a couple thousand years...They could easily be up to ten thousand years old or more.

 

[Denadii]

And the physical evidence for such a flood is even weaker.

We climbed a mountain a few years ago. At thirteen thousand feet we were picking up clam shells and snail shells...Clams have legs! I think not.

 

[stevevw]

When were the pyramids built? Was it before or after the flood?

The Pyramids may go back 10 or 12,000 years. Some of the Egyptian works like the vases under the Stepped Pyramid at Saqqarra has vases 5,000 years old. So if the flood happened around 4300BC then the pyramids were around long before that.

 

[Diamond72]

The year for the Great Flood is based on many weak assumptions.

You can use fifth grade math to figure out when Moses was born. It is in the Bible. In fact for about 30 years Adam and Noah's father were both alive. They could have known each other. Clearly Noah's father knew Adams story.

 

[Diamond72]

Clams have legs! I think not.

You have never been kicked by a clam?

 

[Doug Brents]

You can use fifth grade math to figure out when Moses was born. It is in the Bible. In fact for about 30 years Adam and Noah's father were both alive. They could have known each other. Clearly Noah's father knew Adams story.

It is actually 56 years that Lamech and Adam were both alive. While it is unlikely that they were both in the same area, it is possible that they could have known each other.

 

[Diamond72]

While it is unlikely that they were both in the same area,

They were between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Abraham was the first to cross over to the other side. That is what "Hebrew" means. Meaning of "Hebrew": The term "Hebrew" (Ivri in Hebrew) is indeed thought to derive from the root "avar," meaning "to cross over" or "to pass through." This reflects Abraham's journey from Mesopotamia to the land of Canaan, symbolizing a spiritual and physical crossing over.

 

[Doug Brents]

They were between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Abraham was the first to cross over to the other side. That is what "Hebrew" means. Meaning of "Hebrew": The term "Hebrew" (Ivri in Hebrew) is indeed thought to derive from the root "avar," meaning "to cross over" or "to pass through." This reflects Abraham's journey from Mesopotamia to the land of Canaan, symbolizing a spiritual and physical crossing over.

Abraham lived between Tigris and Euphrates, but he was not born until 290 years after the Flood. So at that point we had a completely new population on the Earth, seeing as the population dropped from potentially billions to only 8 at the Flood.

Adam died in 950 after Creation. Lamech was born in 875 after Creation. That gives them 56 years that they could have known each other.

However, there is no knowing how many people had been born in those 950 years, or how many cities, nations, etc. had been built in that time period, or how far they may have spread. With people living 900+ years on average during that time, each man could have potentially fathered a child every year for 400+ years (taking the high and low from the genealogy given in Gen 5, the youngest recorded father was 65, and the oldest recorded father was 500, so even if you had a child every other year for 435 years, that is 217 children for each man starting at age 65). This results in many billions of people on Earth before the Flood.

This means that, while there it is possible that Adam and Lamech could have known each other, the likelihood is so small as to say they probably did not know each other at all.

 

[Diamond72]

population on the Earth

Noah's flood was a local flood, not a world wide flood. For Noah it was all of His world. Today we would call Noah's world a biodiverse ecology. A very important one because these were domesticated animals and cultivated plants. This was the beginning of farming and the beginning of civilization.

 

[Doug Brents]

Noah's flood was a local flood, not a world wide flood. For Noah it was all of His world. Today we would call Noah's world a biodiverse ecology. A very important one because these were domesticated animals and cultivated plants. This was the beginning of farming and the beginning of civilization.

LOL, farming and ranching existed from the second generation on Earth at the latest (Able was a shepherd, and Kain was a farmer).

The Flood in which Noah plays a pivotal role was not a local flood. It was pan-global. There was not a single point on Earth that was not completely under water by at least 15 cubits (a measure from the elbow to the wrist averaging approximately 18 inches). There was not a single person, land based animal, or bird on Earth that survived the Flood except for those that were in the Ark.

There is evidence of clams and other marine species on top of many of the highest peaks on Earth. The Grand Canyon is evidence of flash flooding from a massive that was left after the Flood. The coal beads of WV are evidence of the bark being ground off of billions of trees that had been swept off the Earth by the waves caused by tectonic displacement when the "fountains of the great deep" were burst open. The "petrified forests" are evidence of those same trees sinking off of the surface to stand on the bottom of the seas as if they grew there, in species groups (see Answers in Genesis).

"Noah's Flood" was most certainly NOT a local only event.

 

[Diamond72]

LOL, farming and ranching existed from the second generation on Earth at the latest (Able was a shepherd, and Kain was a farmer).

That is true in the Bible because the "generations" begin with Adam and Eve. There was no sin in the world before Adam. Romans 5:12 (NIV): "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man,

 

[David Lamb]

Noah's flood was a local flood, not a world wide flood. For Noah it was all of His world. Today we would call Noah's world a biodiverse ecology. A very important one because these were domesticated animals and cultivated plants. This was the beginning of farming and the beginning of civilization.

So don't you believe God's Word when it says:

“And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of the spirit of life, all that [was] on the dry [land], died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who [were] with him in the ark remained [alive].” (Ge 7:21-23 NKJV)

 

[Diamond72]

All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of the spirit of life

Yes I 100% believe we are talking about ALL that had the breath of life. The descendants of Adam and Eve in Eden. We are not talking about mankind in Chapter one. There is no conflict between Science and the Bible. Science gives us a witness and a testimony for God based on the PHYSICAL evidence that God gives us to examine and study.

 

[Doug Brents]

That is true in the Bible because the "generations" begin with Adam and Eve. There was no sin in the world before Adam. Romans 5:12 (NIV): "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man,

What does this have to do with anything we are discussing? Sin entered the world with Adam and Eve, before they had any children. Kain and Able entered a world lost in sin, and they were farmers and herdsmen. And the Flood was definitely a world-wide, pan-global, extinction level event. The only reason man (or any other animal) survived on Earth was because of Noah and the Ark he built at God's instruction.

 

[Doug Brents]

Yes I 100% believe we are talking about ALL that had the breath of life. The descendants of Adam and Eve in Eden. We are not talking about mankind in Chapter one. There is no conflict between Science and the Bible. Science gives us a witness and a testimony for God based on the PHYSICAL evidence that God gives us to examine and study.

Adam and Eve were not in Eden after the Fall. They were driven out by God. But you are correct, when "science" is correctly understood there is no conflict between it and the Bible.

 

[Diamond72]

What does this have to do with anything we are discussing?

We are talking about the "Breath of Life". What are you talking about?

 

[David Lamb]

Yes I 100% believe we are talking about ALL that had the breath of life. The descendants of Adam and Eve in Eden. We are not talking about mankind in Chapter one. There is no conflict between Science and the Bible. Science gives us a witness and a testimony for God based on the PHYSICAL evidence that God gives us to examine and study.

But the Flood was long after God had driven Adam and Even out of Eden. So I know that the verses I quoted were not about mankind in Genesis 1. I'm not sure what difference that makes to what I said, that in the Flood, all in whose nostrils was the breath of life died, and only Noah and those people and animals with him on the ark were saved. Not "only Noah, those with him on the ark, and all those who lived away from the (supposed) local flood."