Pyramids and the flood

[SkyWriting]

The planet is not Jesus. If there is a flood, there also are flood deposits. And there are local preserved flood deposits, just nothing on a global scale.

If there was a flood, that was a miracle, as with every miracle, it leaves no evidence proving it was a miracle. This is universal. The Great Flood would be the only exception to the rule.
The only evidence that can be found is that of a completely natural flood.
Not one from God.

 

[Job 33:6]

If there was a flood, that was a miracle, as with every miracle, it leaves no evidence proving it was a miracle. This is universal. The Great Flood would be the only exception to the rule.
The only evidence that can be found is that of a completely natural flood.
Not one from God.

The existence of dragons in the past is a miracle too, there's just no evidence for them today because they were supernatural.

 

[SkyWriting]

The existence of dragons in the past is a miracle too, there's just no evidence for them today because they were supernatural.

Logical, I'll give you that.

 

[RageOfAngels]

I'd say dragons = dinosaurs, and that there's quite a bit of evidence for dinosaurs.

 

[lismore]

The world wide flood is a shadow and a type. Of course for Noah his world was flooded.

Noah spent 120 years building a boat to escape a flood he could have walked away from in a few days?

 

[JackRT]

The existence of dragons in the past is a miracle too, there's just no evidence for them today because they were supernatural.

What is the difference between a dragon that cannot be detected and no dragon at all?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Noah spent 120 years building a boat to escape a flood he could have walked away from in a few days?

The area that was flooded we refer to as the Persian Gulf today. You can work on your walking idea if you want. Why don't you start with your local zoo. If you were to build a new zoo do you really want to walk the animals from the old zoo to the new zoo? Along with all the food they are going to need to eat. Most people have enough stuff so that they use a truck when they move. They do not try to carry it all from their old to their new house.

Science has put a lot of work in understanding how farming spread from the Middle East to Europe. This all began 6,000 years ago with Adam and Eve because this is the beginning of what we call recorded history. This is what Evolutionary theory is all about. How to take a species within a bio-diverse ecosystem and move that species to a different ecosystem. An example of this was when man came up out of Africa to the area that neanderthal man was living in. In Genesis 3:21 "The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them". Fig leaf clothing may have been ok in Africa but Adam and Eve 6,000 years ago needed something a little bit more substantial. This hold true for fig leaf religion. It just is not enough to get the job done.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Jesus seemed to believe in a world wide flood (in Luke 17) so that's good enough for me.

Clearly we know that Noah was a real person and everything we read about Noah in the Bible is absolute truth. I do not see the words: "world wide flood" in Luke 17. 1Peter3:21 Talks about how Noah's flood was a Type (antitupos). Cahn just wrote a book called Paradigm. We can see how exact and precise the Bible needs to be.

 

[lismore]

The area that was flooded we refer to as the Persian Gulf today. You can work on your walking idea if you want. Why don't you start with your local zoo. If you were to build a new zoo do you really want to walk the animals from the old zoo to the new zoo? Along with all the food they are going to need to eat.

Hello Joshua. But Noah would still need to 'walk the animals' from their habitat physically on to the Ark. if God brought them to the Ark, or had them migrate to the Ark, then he could have just as easily brought them or had them migrate out of the 'Persian Gulf'. If Noah were trying to save the animals that were unique to the 'Persian Gulf', those not found a hundred miles distant in areas untouched by the flood, why build an Ark large enough to accomodate so many more?

Animals sense danger and move, from a volcanic erruption or forest fire for example. From a local flood the whole Ark idea is redundant. You would not need to walk them, they would be escaping danger themselves. The Ark is necessary because there is no dry ground anywhere for them to escape to, a global flood.

As the bible says:

I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish (Gen 6:17)

Not just the Gulf creatures, everything on earth.

God Bless

 

[JackRT]

When we attempt to read a mythology in an analytical way, we will always find discrepancies ---- the point is to just accept it at face value for the lessons taught and not worry overmuch about it being or not being a literal history.

 

[lismore]

When we attempt to read a mythology in an analytical way, we will always find discrepancies ---- the point is to just accept it at face value for the lessons taught and not worry overmuch about it being or not being a literal history.

So how much of the bible is mythology, how much is literal and who gets to decide? God Bless

 

[JackRT]

So how much of the bible is mythology, how much is literal and who gets to decide? God Bless

Excellent questions that we could debate endlessly. Speaking only for myself I would classify Genesis and Exodus as almost entirely mythological. Some like Job, Jonah and Ruth are extended parables/protest literature. Some of the history is very embellished and/or questionable. The gospels I regard as interpretive narratives.

 

[mozo41]

When were the pyramids built? Was it before or after the flood?

it appears some where assembled before and some after the great flood and it would also appear that the ones before perhaps where instrumental in bringing this flood about ...

 

[joshua 1 9]

When we attempt to read a mythology in an analytical way, we will always find discrepancies ---- the point is to just accept it at face value for the lessons taught and not worry overmuch about it being or not being a literal history.

Noah's flood in the Bible is what we would today consider to be a local flood. It is a shadow and type of a worldwide flood that took place at a different point in time. Open up your High School Biology book and you can find a section on bio diverse eco systems. There is as reason why science uses the words Adam, Eve & Eden. The Bible helps us understand Science and Science helps us understand the Bible.

Look at Bishop Ussher's book written over 500 years ago. Bishop Ussher gives us a history of the world for the last 6,000 years. His book is still accurate today because he has very little to say about the world before Adam and Eve lived in Eden around 6,000 years ago. Bishop Usshers book does not conflict with modern science in anyway.

Read the Bible, read your Biology book and then read Bishop Usshers book and then we can have a discussion about Noah and his flood in his day. The science of Botany actually gives us some interesting insight into the domestication of ancient plants in the middle east. Again science and the Bible are in perfect harmony and there is no conflict or contradiction in any way between them.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So how much of the bible is mythology, how much is literal and who gets to decide? God Bless

All of the Bible is literal. The Bible is not a myth the Bible is a Paradigm. Cahn's best selling book goes a long way to explain this. He also shows how myths play a part in this. Have you taken a class on Greek mythology? When I was in school books like the Odyssey were required reading and people did not get confused between the Bible and mythology.

In his book Cahn talks about Baal worship and the Phoenician gods. He also talks about the goddess Astarte that went on to become the Assyrian goddess Ishtar. Today we hear more about Aphrodite for the Greeks and Venus for the Romans. There is a whole chapter in his book if you are really interested in learning about this so that you can understand and know what you are talking about. There is discussion on fertility and also we can start to understand the modern concept of a goddess of war or the warrior princess we see in modern myths today. I know a girl who is in the Army reserve to pay for her college. She identifys herself as a warrior princess. A very popular Disney theme. Jasmine is my favorite warrior princess. Also Xana and the star wars warrior princess are very popular.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish (Gen 6:17)

Yes we very much need to look at this passage and other passages like this in Genesis. You can study the Hebrew here Genesis 6:17 Hebrew Text Analysis

This is why we need to be careful of all the translations. We need to study the ancient Hebrew words to discover their meaning. Here we have two words ruach and chay. Translated breath of life. We first see the word ruach (Spirit of God) with the word erths (earth) in Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

So we have two different synergism's here. (For those who like isms) We have Ruach with the Earth and we have Ruach with the Breath Chay or life. So these are the three words we need to deal with. God was going to destory all those on the Earth that had the breath of life or Ruach in them.

I suggest Kenneth Haggin to explain this:

"That is what makes man different from animals. Animals do have souls, but they are not spirits. There is nothing in them that is like God. God took something of Himself and put in man. He made the body of man out of the dust of the earth, but He breathed into man’s nostrils the breath of life. The word “breath” or “ruach” in the Hebrew, means breath or spirit, and is translated “Holy Spirit” many times in the Old Testament. God is Spirit, so He took something of Himself, which is spirit, and put it into man. When He did, man became a living soul. He wasn’t alive until then, but he became a living soul. He became conscious of himself because the body was dead without the spirit.

What It Means to Believe With the Heart (Part 1) – Kenneth E. Hagin

The first synergism took place between the Spirit of God and the Earth. Then there was a synergism between man that God took from the Earth and the Spirit of God or the breath of life. This is why we need the spirit of God to understand the things of God and the Word of God.

 

[lismore]

In his book Cahn talks about Baal worship and the Phoenician gods. He also talks about the goddess Astarte that went on to become the Assyrian goddess Ishtar. Today we hear more about Aphrodite for the Greeks and Venus for the Romans. There is a whole chapter in his book if you are really interested in learning about this so that you can understand and know what you are talking about.

A poster on a Christian forum advising me to study the religion of Baal ?

I have no interest in studying mythology, I was replying to the poster above (#50) who described the bible as mythology. I do not think the bible is mythology, I think it's the word of God. When God says he created the heavens, the earth and all that is in them in six days that's good enough for me. God Bless

 

[joshua 1 9]

I was replying to the poster above (#50)

Ok, my mistake, my post should have been or was directed to Jack.

 

[JacksBratt]

After. The tower of Babel (built not that long AFTER the flood) was the first ziggurat structure to be built, and ziggurats were the precursors of the Egyptian pyramids.

I believe that this may be backward. The Tower was built with brick and mortar due to the fact that they lost the technology to build with stone that was so precisely cut that you cannot fit a hair between the stones.

I believe that the pyramids and other megalithic structures were pre flood and built with a technology that has been lost. Probably technology of the Nephilim and their offspring.

Check out the buildings at Sacsayhuaman in Peru. Or the Temple of the Sun and the Ollantaytambo archaeological complex.

There are many sites that, by nature of size and complexity, were definitely not done by a people who had only worked with bronze.

 

[JacksBratt]

There may be several grains of truth to the flood mythology of Noah and similar mythologies from elsewhere in the ancient Middle East. About 25 years ago it was discovered (" Noah's Flood" by Ryan and Pitman) that in antiquity the Black Sea was a freshwater lake with a water level at least 155 meters (510 feet) below its present level. It was cut off from the Mediterranean Sea by a silt plug in the Straits of Bosporus. This plug broke through about 5600 BC due primarily to the dramatic rise in sea levels caused by the melting that ended the last ice age.. It created an immense waterfall whose sound was most likely audible for 100 or more miles. The Black Sea basin filled to its present level over a period of several weeks. It is estimated that the shore line advanced at the rate of a mile or more per day. For the people living around the lake it was a catastrophe of immense magnitude. It was likely the single most memorable flood in all of human history. The racial memory of this event probably inspired the Gilgamesh epic which in turn inspired the Noah narrative in the Bible. The evidence for this flood is scientifically solid. This prompted the National Geographic Society to finance an underwater search along the ancient shoreline for evidence of pre-flood human habitation. This search has been successful! A settlement has been found at a depth of 90 meters approximately 12 miles off the coast of Turkey. It is in a remarkable state of preservation because it is located in an area of the Black Sea where the water is completely devoid of oxygen with the effect that biological decomposition does not take place. This means that wooden artifacts such as tools, planks, housing beams etc are preserved intact. What is also quite amazing is that while there is solid scientific evidence for this local flood some 7600 YBP, there is no evidence at all for a worldwide flood just 4300 YBP. One would think that a more recent, more catastrophic event would have wiped out evidence of the earlier Black Sea event. There is also evidence for a similar event causing the flooding of the Gulf of Arabia about 10,000 YBP.

I think that musings of men, based on what they can see and what fits with their need for understanding things outside of the supernatural... or their desire to right God out of the picture.... demands that the flood be something other than the biblical account.

As for me... I full well believe that God flooded the entire earth as He said that He did.