Putting events in Revelation in chronological order?

[Riberra]

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; .....

Some above are rewarded and some are destroyed, which agrees with John 5:27-30.

The Prophets are Dead ...The Saints refers to the Dead Martyrs since Jesus have ascended to Heaven ...they will be rewarded at the same time that those mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6

and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

-Can you define who are those who destroy the Earth who will be destroyed ?

-What happen to the other person -good or bad-- who do not destroy the Earth ?
-Why punishing those who destroy the Earth if Jesus is to totally destroy the Earth by FIRE at His Coming ?

 

[BABerean2]

The prophets are Dead ...The Saints refers to the Dead Martyrs since Jesus have ascended to Heaven ...they will be rewarded at the same time that those mentioned in Revelation 20:4

-Can you define who are those who destroy the Earth who will be destroyed ?

-What happen to the other person -good or bad-- who do not destroy the Earth ?
-Why punishing those who destroy the Earth if Jesus is to totally destroy the Earth by FIRE at His Coming ?

The living "nations" are also found in the verse, and the time of wrath.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The judgment of the living at His Second Coming is found in Matthew 25:31-46.

Those who destroy the earth are on the side of Satan, both the living and the dead.


Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

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[Riberra]

The living "nations" are also found in the verse, and the time of wrath.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come,

The WRATH REFERS to the 7 VIALS of the WRATH OF GOD ---->Revelation 16 who will be poured out upon the LIVING NATIONS after they will have taken the Mark and will worship the Beast....and that they will have killed almost all the Christians who refused to take the mark.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Then why do you say the Church is Raptured and the Seals are opened straight away? The anti-Christ comes forth to be the Beast in the Middle of the week, hence a 42 Month of reign of terror. There is 2520 days in a Hebrew Seven Year Lunar Period. The Middle of that is 1260 days. So the Rapture happens, there is 3.5 years of Peace, the Anti-Christ reneges on all his treaties, then Conquers Jerusalem amongst many in the region. Thus he is the Last Beast or Seventh Head.

The rider on the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquer. The red horse takes peace for the earth. There is no 3.5 years of peace.

I know why you think this, but God is SYMMETRICAL, He does nothing out of order. All Six Seals are Gods Wrath or the Lambs Wrath. Just because the men FINALLY UNDERSTAND they are in Gods Wrath t the 6th Seal doesn't mean all Six Seals are not Gods Wrath. The Sun, Moon etc. etc. gives them a reference point. There have been many wars, NOTHING NEW, but when they see these events they understand, this is Rev. ch. 6 !!

This is wrong. The 6 seals are the tribulation. You can match the seals up to Matt 24. Immediately after the tribulation, there will be a pre wrath rapture of the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth and then the wrath of God begins with the 7th seal. The tribulation and wrath are completely separate.

Remember, the Anti-Christ comes forth in the Middle of the WEEK !! The Jews flee for 1260 Days and the Beast rules for 42 Months. That is the very FIRST SEAL.

This is completely wrong. The first seal is opened at the beginning of the week. The week is the time of Jacobs trouble. Israel does not get to party for 3.5 years.......there is no peace. The rider of the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquer.
Something else you should consider..........First the 7th king comes. Then the eighth king comes who is of the seven.

 

[iamlamad]

The rider on the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquer. The red horse takes peace for the earth. There is no 3.5 years of peace.


This is wrong. The 6 seals are the tribulation. You can match the seals up to Matt 24. Immediately after the tribulation, there will be a pre wrath rapture of the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth and then the wrath of God begins with the 7th seal. The tribulation and wrath are completely separate.



This is completely wrong. The first seal is opened at the beginning of the week. The week is the time of Jacobs trouble. Israel does not get to party for 3.5 years.......there is no peace. The rider of the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquer.
Something else you should consider..........First the 7th king comes. Then the eighth king comes who is of the seven.

Why oh why do you guys insist on pulling the first seal out of its first century, early church context? Anyone can make a verse mean anything if they pull it from its context.

Go back and study chapters 4 & 5. THEY are the context. God showed John the very moment Jesus ascended into the throne room, after telling Mary not to touch Him for He had not yet ascended.

Now, WHY would God show John that picture? I know because I asked Him! It is to show TIMING.

The Beast of Rev. 13 WILL NOT BE REVEALED until the midpoint. Most people will have no idea that the man of sin will turn into the Beast - until it happens. A few might notice that one military leader has taken out three nations and wonder.... Remember, there were ten, but he takes out three, leaving 7. Then He becomes the 8th leader.

The trumpet judgments come in the first half of the week, so it will not be a picnic! Judgment begins with the first trumpet - or some might say with the earthquake of the 6th seal.

"This is wrong. The 6 seals are the tribulation. You can match the seals up to Matt 24. "

This is complete error. It is NOT the intent of the Author at all. You are totally ignoring chapters 4 & 5 that set the context for the seals. Did you just ignore what Matthew wrote, "the end is not yet?" Matthew is not talking about end times there! He it talking about church age. He does not mention "end" until I think the 14th verse. Everything before that is "the end is not yet." Luke says the same thing with different words.

The truth is, God MARKED the 70th week with 7's: it begins with the 7th seal and ends with the 7th vial, and the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint.

 

[iamlamad]

The WRATH REFERS to the 7 VIALS of the WRATH OF GOD ---->Revelation 16 who will be poured out upon the LIVING NATIONS after they will have taken the Mark and will worship the Beast....and that they will have killed almost all the Christians who refused to take the mark.

Sorry, But each trumpet judgment comes with God's wrath too. Why not just believe John that God's wrath begins at the 6th seal? It is the truth, so you might as well believe it.

 

[iamlamad]

The Prophets are Dead ...The Saints refers to the Dead Martyrs since Jesus have ascended to Heaven ...they will be rewarded at the same time that those mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6

-Can you define who are those who destroy the Earth who will be destroyed ?

-What happen to the other person -good or bad-- who do not destroy the Earth ?
-Why punishing those who destroy the Earth if Jesus is to totally destroy the Earth by FIRE at His Coming ?

He does not understand that the 24 elders are prophesying - fortelling what is soon to come. He imagines all these things happen right then.

 

[iamlamad]

I remember you arguing that Jesus already reign in Heaven and on the Earth since He have ascended to Heaven...


There is obviously a Trumpet who will sound AFTER THE TRIBULATION Matthew 24:29-31...Thus after the 7 TRIBULATION Trumpets mentioned in Revelation 8.


-OF those who will be dead before the beginning of the 42 months reign of the Beast....God will selection those who will have their names written in the Book of Life...or not.

-Revelation 14:9-12 will be the Judgment of those who will be alive during the 42 months reign of the Beast...that will apply to ANY MAN ...AND WOMAN.

What's the point? Do you imagine that "the last trump" is the 7th trump? If so you are miles from the truth.

 

[Riberra]

What's the point?

The judgment of those who are DEAD when the 7 Th Trumpet sound mentioned in Revelation 11:15-18 refers to those who will be DEAD BEFORE the 42 Months Reign of The Beast ....

-The point is that the Judgment of those who are alive will depend upon their choice of taking the mark of the Beast OR NOT during the 42 months reign of the Beast Revelation 13.
Revelation 14:9-12
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, IF ANY MAN worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Do you imagine that "the last trump" is the 7th trump? If so you are miles from the truth.

No, the 7Th Trump is not the Last Trumpet .
The 7Th Trumpet announce the Third WOE ie the 42 Months reign of the Beast ...empowered by Satan who will be cast out of Heaven Revelation 12:7-17...Revelation 13


----The Last Trump will happen AFTER THE TRIBULATION Matthew 24:29-31

 

[Revealing Times]

The rider on the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquer. The red horse takes peace for the earth. There is no 3.5 years of peace.

This is what we call OVER ANALYZING THINGS. Just as I stated in the other post. He Conquers Jerusalem and the MANY at the Midway point on a fast blitzkrieg like movement. The peace leaves the world later when the world descends into chaos. Hitler took Poland, the PEACE WAS TAKEN AWAY LATER = WW2. Think man, stop trying to make something fit your preconceived ideas.

The Four Horses are all LINKED to the Anti-Christ.

This is wrong. The 6 seals are the tribulation. You can match the seals up to Matt 24. Immediately after the tribulation, there will be a pre wrath rapture of the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth and then the wrath of God begins with the 7th seal. The tribulation and wrath are completely separate.

No you can't match them up, that is just horrible Hermeneutics brother.

1.) Matthew 24:1-6 = 70 AD.
2.) Matthew 24:7-13-14 = 2000 year Church Age.
3.) Matthew 24:15-28 = Tribulation Period.
4.) Matthew 24:29-31 = The Second Coming.

We have a Rapture of the Church, then Israel remains on earth until Jesus returns. Israel is thus THE WHEAT and the World is THE TARES.......Thus they grow together until the end. The Church however is Raptured.

The troubles are a Seven Year Period. The Greatest Troubles ever is a very short time. Gods Wrath is 3.5 years. Three different things/periods entirely.

This is completely wrong. The first seal is opened at the beginning of the week. The week is the time of Jacobs trouble. Israel does not get to party for 3.5 years.......there is no peace. The rider of the white horse goes forth conquering and to conquer.
Something else you should consider..........First the 7th king comes. Then the eighth king comes who is of the seven.

No its not wrong. The Anti-Christ RENEGES on his Agreements in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.

The 8th King is a Demon over the SEVEN BEASTS, he is not going to show up physically.

 

[Riberra]

Sorry, But each trumpet judgment comes with God's wrath too. Why not just believe John that God's wrath begins at the 6th seal? It is the truth, so you might as well believe it.

The Wrath of God is named as such in the 7 Vials of the Wrath of God ....Revelation 16
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels, Go ye, and pour out the seven bowls of the WRATH of God into the earth.

 

[iamlamad]

The Wrath of God is named as such in the 7 Vials of the Wrath of God ....Revelation 16
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels, Go ye, and pour out the seven bowls of the WRATH of God into the earth.

True; but this does not preclude God from having wrath before this point in time. John shows us that point when God's wrath begins: at the 6th seal earthquake.

 

[Riberra]

True; but this does not preclude God from having wrath before this point in time. John shows us that point when God's wrath begins: at the 6th seal earthquake.

-Look carefully ...it say wrath of the Lamb at the 6Th seal...
-The Wrath of God will happen in the 7 Vials Revelation 16...after that almost all the Christians who refuse to take the Mark during the 42 months reign of the Beast [Revelatio 13]will have been killed....The WRATH of God will be to AVENGE THE BLOOD OF THE CHRISTIANS MARTYRS [THE SAINTS]

 

[iamlamad]

This is what we call OVER ANALYZING THINGS. Just as I stated in the other post. He Conquers Jerusalem and the MANY at the Midway point on a fast blitzkrieg like movement. The peace leaves the world later when the world descends into chaos. Hitler took Poland, the PEACE WAS TAKEN AWAY LATER = WW2. Think man, stop trying to make something fit your preconceived ideas.

The Four Horses are all LINKED to the Anti-Christ.

Have you not read?

Matthew 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

NO horse is directly linked to the Antichrist. John told us that even back then there were many "Antichrists." It is the devil trying to stop the advance of the gospel in seals 2-4. Seal 1 is the Gospel being spread.

So I can jump the gun so to speak, this is not "OVER ANALYZING THINGS: it is just writing the truth. You keep trying to pull these early seals out of their context.

 

[iamlamad]

-Look carefully ...it say wrath of the Lamb at the 6Th seal...
-The Wrath of God will happen in the 7 Vials Revelation 16...after that almost all the Christians who refuse to take the Mark will have been killed.

In case you missed it, the Lamb and God are one and the same God!

 

[iamlamad]

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No you can't match them up, that is just horrible Hermeneutics brother.

1.) Matthew 24:1-6 = 70 AD.
2.) Matthew 24:7-13-14 = 2000 year Church Age.
3.) Matthew 24:15-28 = Tribulation Period.
4.) Matthew 24:29-31 = The Second Coming.

We have a Rapture of the Church, then Israel remains on earth until Jesus returns. Israel is thus THE WHEAT and the World is THE TARES.......Thus they grow together until the end. The Church however is Raptured.

I am impressed here: you have "nailed it," as we say. So many when reading Matthew ignore "the end is not yet."

 

[Riberra]

In case you missed it, the Lamb and God are one and the same God!

God is the Father...The WORD is Jesus [The Lamb]
Jesus actually is sitting at the righ hand of the Father's Throne...

When Jesus will reign on the Earth during 1,000 years, the Father will still be in Heaven dealing with Heaven matters.

 

[iamlamad]

The judgment of those who are DEAD when the 7 Th Trumpet sound mentioned in Revelation 11:15-18 refers to those who will be DEAD BEFORE the 42 Months Reign of The Beast ....

-The point is that the Judgment of those who are alive will depend upon their choice of taking the mark of the Beast OR NOT during the 42 months reign of the Beast Revelation 13.
Revelation 14:9-12
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, IF ANY MAN worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.



No, the 7Th Trump is not the Last Trumpet .
The 7Th Trumpet announce the Third WOE ie the 42 Months reign of the Beast ...empowered by Satan who will be cast out of Heaven Revelation 12:7-17...Revelation 13


----The Last Trump will happen AFTER THE TRIBULATION Matthew 24:29-31

Sorry, I was really posting the guy that keeps asking of there is a trumpet AFTER the 7th trumpet. I liked your answer! In fact, I would be very surprised if there were no trumpets during the 1000 year reign of Christ, and in the forever after that! Clearly Paul's "last trump" was meant to the last trump of a certain series of trumps.

My point to him is that the judgment written in chapter 14 is written as a prophecy and does NOT happen at that point in time in John's narrative which is just before the Beast will start enforcing the mark and image.

 

[iamlamad]

God is the Father...The WORD is Jesus [The Lamb]
Jesus actually is sitting at the righ hand of the Father Throne...

I will agree, both have wrath. Because both share the same soul! It is like my body being angry and my soul has feelings of that anger.
Thanks for pointing this out. But the real point is, the trumpets are just as much a part of God's wrath as the vials. However, it is possible God is a little angrier by the time the vials are poured out.

And your point is well taken, for Jesus still has wrath as He descends to the battle of Armageddon.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What is your process for putting the events detailed in Revelation in chronological order?

Just read it, prayerfully seeking YHVH'S Understanding.
Everything is in place in YHVH'S Divine Order Already, simple.
As seen daily, mankind/men keep messing it all up.