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Featured Putting events in Revelation in chronological order?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. BABerean2

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    Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    Is the beast out of the pit in the verse above?

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  2. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Of course the unclean spirit, which is currently in the bottomless pit, has come out of the bottomless pit and possessed the slain and recovered end times person at the time he is making war against the two witnesses.

    17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:[this is a reference to some ancient person, who has die and is currently in the bottomless pit]

    and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. [this is a reference to the end times person, people will witness being mortally wounded, but miraculously recovers]
     
  3. Riberra

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    -Yes....that event will happen at the end of the 6 TH Trumpet events called the Second Woe Revelation 11:14-15..

    -The Beast [ANGEL ABADDON]have ascendeth out of the Bottomless pit at the 5 TH Trumpet Revelation 9
     
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  4. Riberra

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    -Angels ARE Immortal ...[Angel Abaddon].....that explain why his wound at the head will mysteriously get healed Revelation 13:3-6

    The unclean spirits [Revelation 16:13-14].coming out of the Mouth of the Dragon...out of the Mouth of the Beast and out of the Mouth of the False Prophet are the spirits of the Nephilim [the Spirits of the Giants ]who died in the flood...These are these Spirits implied in all the possession cases mentioned in the Bible that Jesus call Unclean Spirits..
     
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  5. Choose Wisely

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    I believe the Church is raptured before the 70 week begins......so we agree on this

    The first 3.5 years are the 6 seals........so there is no peace.........until they say peace and safety and then sudden destruction.
    How can the full 7 years be the time of Jacobs trouble and the 1st 3.5 years is peace. There is not peace until they say peace and safety..........and then sudden destruction comes. The 1st 6 seals happen in the first 3.5 years. The wrath of God happens in the last 3.5 years.

    Agreed
    Yes a very long time. The day of the Lord is 1000 years long.
     
  6. Douggg

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    Riberra, the two witnesses battle the beast - before the seventh trumpet sounds - which signals the time for Satan to be cast down - who as the falling star releases Abaddon from the bottomless pit.

    The person is already the beast before Abaddon gets released.
     
  7. Riberra

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    Satan is NOT THE ANGEL with the key to open the Bottomless Pit of Revelation 9:1 At that time [the 5 TH TRUMPET] Satan have not been cast out of Heaven...

    Only the Beast who ascend out of the Bottomless Pit have the power to Kill the Two Witnesses Revelation 11:7.....

    The act of killing the two witnesses will make that "INDIVIDUAL" the MOST POPULAR FIGURE ON EARTH... Angels look like human men...they can even eat and digest our foods.
     
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  8. Revealing Times

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    Post #88 will help you out.
     
  9. Revealing Times

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    Then why do you say the Church is Raptured and the Seals are opened straight away? The anti-Christ comes forth to be the Beast in the Middle of the week, hence a 42 Month of reign of terror. There is 2520 days in a Hebrew Seven Year Lunar Period. The Middle of that is 1260 days. So the Rapture happens, there is 3.5 years of Peace, the Anti-Christ reneges on all his treaties, then Conquers Jerusalem amongst many in the region. Thus he is the Last Beast or Seventh Head.

    As I explained above, thus we disagree here. What I don;t think people understand is when you miss the Rapture, you have missed the "Boat/Noah's Ark" at that very moment. Anyone that does not get taken to Heaven will go through the horrible tribulation, unless they die in the first 3.5 Years. So when you miss the Rapture, you re in great peril at that moment. You will be given a life or death choice unless you are a Jew in Judea who flees to the Wilderness.

    Think Obama and his kind of FORCED PEACE he would have liked. Now go research Dan. 9:27 as I have and you will see that CONFIRM in confirms the covenant (Agreement) means basically to FORCE A DEAL....to act INSOLENTLY. So this Peace or Security deal is forced via a threat of some kind. Remember, Jerusalem is the Burdensome stone. This man dies something to gain Israels tryst somewhat or she would never agree to disarm he nukes, and that's a must if she is to be conquered. I think he destroys RADICAL ISLAM to start with and gains a measure of trust from the Europeans and Israel, even some like Saudi Arabia/Jordan/Egypt will be happy with this it seems.

    So ALL PEACE is not seen a PEACE if you know what I mean, its still a perilous time for Israel, all Christians are in Heaven save the Remnant. They are pretty much dictated to, and a weak leader will agree it seems to not only disarm, but to trust this tyrant with their Security.

    That peace and safety is just a saying, don't throw out scriptures because John quoted a passage somewhere. He quotes Gog and Magog and has it as a battle that happens after the 1000 year reign. Well see. Everything points to a PEACE.......then the First Seal is opened and the Anti-Christ comes forth Conquering.

    I know why you think this, but God is SYMMETRICAL, He does nothing out of order. All Six Seals are Gods Wrath or the Lambs Wrath. Just because the men FINALLY UNDERSTAND they are in Gods Wrath t the 6th Seal doesn't mean all Six Seals are not Gods Wrath. The Sun, Moon etc. etc. gives them a reference point. There have been many wars, NOTHING NEW, but when they see these events they understand, this is Rev. ch. 6 !!

    Remember, the Anti-Christ comes forth in the Middle of the WEEK !! The Jews flee for 1260 Days and the Beast rules for 42 Months. That is the very FIRST SEAL.
     
  10. Douggg

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    The seventh trumpet sounds and Satan is cast out of the second heaven. The seventh
    trumpet, like the seventh seal, does not follow the other trumpets chronologically.

    The falling star angel is Satan. There is no other angel that fits the description.
     
  11. Riberra

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    The opening of the Seventh Seal announce the beginning of the 7 Trumpets events ---> See [Revelation 8]who will occurs in the chronological order beginning with the First trumpet event ...and sometime later the Second Trumpet Event..and ...


    Don't try to shuffle the order of the Trumpets ....the 7 Th Trumpet will sound AFTER THE 6 Th Trumpet.... Revelation 9:1 is about the 5 Th Trumpet.
    Revelation 9:1
    1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven fallen unto the earth: and there was given to him the key of the Bottomless Pit.
     
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  12. Douggg

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    But the seventh seal is not a chronological continuum of the first six seals.

    Likewise, the seventh trumpet is not a chronological continuum of the first six trumpets. The seventh trumpet, as well as announcing the third woe, also announces the time of the 7 vials of wrath.

    Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Like the first six seals, the first six trumpets are in linear chronological order. And should not be shuffled in interpretation.

    The seventh seal is opened AFTER the sixth seal, but is not a chronological continuum of the first six seals.

    Likewise, the seventh trumpet sounds AFTER the sixth trumpet, but is not a chronological continuum of the first six trumpets.
     
  13. BABerean2

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    The Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

    This was the 70 week of Daniel.


    Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


    Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
    Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
    Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
    Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
    Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.


    Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

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  14. Riberra

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    At the Seventh Trumpet the last 42 months before Jesus return will begin...that will be the worst time for the Christians ....no -supposed- pre-trib nor mid trib rapture to Heaven will have happened.
    -The Saints who will be overcome by the Beast/ AC [Revelation 13:5-7] are really the Christians who will refuse to take the mark and will refuse to worship the Beast /AC.

    The overcoming by the Beast over the Christians will take 2 form
    1-If they take the mark they will be damned and will be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity like everybody who will take the mark and who will worship the Beast Revelation 14:9-12

    2-If they refuse to take the mark they will be beheaded....But they will be part of the First Resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6
     
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  15. BABerean2

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    1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


    Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


    There will be no more tribulation for Christians after the 7th trumpet, since it announces the Second Coming of Christ.

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  16. Riberra

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    Jesus is still in heaven at that point ...The Nations are angry against God because of the 6 Trumpets Plagues and the actions of the two witnesses who have just been killed by the Beast who have ascendeth out of the bottomless Pit......Revelation 11:7-14
     
  17. BABerean2

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    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    So, do you think the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ 3-1/2 years before Christ returns ???

    Do you deny that the 7th trumpet is the last trumpet in the Bible?

    Can you show us the 8th trumpet?

    Do you deny that "the time of the judgment of the dead" is found in Revelation 11:18?


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  18. iamlamad

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    It appears he has trouble counting to seven! Or perhaps he imagines John put the numbers in to confuse us; that they mean nothing!

    Why would ANYONE imagine that a count of 1 to 7 would not be in the numerical order given?
     
  19. Riberra

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    I remember you arguing that Jesus already reign in Heaven and on the Earth since He have ascended to Heaven...

    There is obviously a Trumpet who will sound AFTER THE TRIBULATION Matthew 24:29-31...Thus after the 7 TRIBULATION Trumpets mentioned in Revelation 8.

    -OF those who will be dead before the beginning of the 42 months reign of the Beast....God will selection those who will have their names written in the Book of Life...or not.

    -Revelation 14:9-12 will be the Judgment of those who will be alive during the 42 months reign of the Beast...that will apply to ANY MAN ...AND WOMAN.
     
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  20. BABerean2

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    Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Some above are rewarded and some are destroyed, which agrees with John 5:27-30.

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